Article here: https://www.wargamer.com/dnd/character-mini-wizkids-red-box-warrior-female
It's a silly take to say, "This miniature reveals that the warrior on the Red Box was always a woman!"
As others have noted, the image on the Red Box can be interpreted as the same person in the blue, teal, black, and gold boxes. By the black box, we see the person's full-bearded face.
It probably would've been better to make two figures, one male and the other female.
Also, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
Larry Elmore disagrees, but what does he know about it?
https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/05/08/wizards-of-the-coast-purposefully-and-clearly-gender-swaps-warrior-featured-on-dungeons-dragons-red-box-cover-art/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc
"Chud-upsetting or not"
Oh I see. Insult anyone who thinks this is absolutely fucking stupid given the fact it's a male warrior and always has been. Can WotC do anything except piss off all the people who actually play D&D and aren't merely using it to pander to Marxist sycophants?
Super7 had a different interpretation:
https://super7.com/collections/dungeons-dragons/products/dungeons-and-dragons-reaction-figures-wave-03-formidable-fighter
As Elmore says, when he paints a woman, there's never a question about her gender.
Next they'll be telling us Clyde Caldwell's figures are ambiguous.
A clear case of misgendering by WotC. For shame! They should educate themselves:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/misgendering-what-it-is-and-why-it-matters-202107232553[/url]
He obviously passed through a glowing orange archway.
Quote from: Zalman on May 09, 2024, 09:27:13 AMAs Elmore says, when he paints a woman, there's never a question about her gender.
Next they'll be telling us Clyde Caldwell's figures are ambiguous.
Or Frazetta and Royo
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 09, 2024, 08:22:37 AMArticle here: https://www.wargamer.com/dnd/character-mini-wizkids-red-box-warrior-female
It's a silly take to say, "This miniature reveals that the warrior on the Red Box was always a woman!"
As others have noted, the image on the Red Box can be interpreted as the same person in the blue, teal, black, and gold boxes. By the black box, we see the person's full-bearded face.
It probably would've been better to make two figures, one male and the other female.
Also, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
"Chud-upsetting or not" is a part of the article and that's pretty much all I needed to see about the intent behind their content. Well, it's safe to say then that wargamer.com belongs in the same garbage tier of websites purportedly about niche hobbies and interest along with Kotaku, rpg.net, and IGN that I stopped visiting or clicking the links to. Admittedly, I wasn't a regular visitor there (unlike the others I listed above which used to be daily for me years ago) but now I'll be a never-visitor instead.
I went to Enworld for the first time since my first child was born 10 years ago.
I love the thread of comments bashing Elmore and how he doesn't know it is a woman or how CNA he say that.
If I wasn't banned from there I would certainly be after I would have posted on that thread.
Clueless idiots.
According to this site https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-wizkids-50th-anniversary-set-red-box-warrior-reveal/:
QuoteWizKids also points out that their depiction of the Red Box Warrior is "purposefully and clearly" presented as a woman.
So a pair of breasts makes a human a woman in D&D, rather than how she identifies. Has WOTC managed to attack both sides of the culture war at once?
Quote from: Krazz on May 09, 2024, 01:19:56 PMAccording to this site https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-wizkids-50th-anniversary-set-red-box-warrior-reveal/:
QuoteWizKids also points out that their depiction of the Red Box Warrior is "purposefully and clearly" presented as a woman.
So a pair of breasts makes a human a woman in D&D, rather than how she identifies. Has WOTC managed to attack both sides of the culture war at once?
From the linked article:
"The face of the "Red Box Warrior" that appears on Larry Elmore's classic art on the cover of the 1983 "Red Box" for Dungeons & Dragons will be revealed for the first time in WizKids's D&D Icons of the Realms: 50th Anniversary set later this year."
Except...we've seen the character's face, already. I've mentioned the "Super7" action figure, but it is clearly implied that the person on the cover is the "poor but famous fighter" that is described in the player's book.
Also, it will be a rare miniature sold in a box among more common miniatures, like Magic: The Gathering card packs.
This is just WOTC giving another F you to long time D&D fans. I am not shocked nor will I give them another dime.
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 09, 2024, 08:22:37 AMArticle here: https://www.wargamer.com/dnd/character-mini-wizkids-red-box-warrior-female
It's a silly take to say, "This miniature reveals that the warrior on the Red Box was always a woman!"
As others have noted, the image on the Red Box can be interpreted as the same person in the blue, teal, black, and gold boxes. By the black box, we see the person's full-bearded face.
It probably would've been better to make two figures, one male and the other female.
Also, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."
Yeah, it's kinda like that.
Fuck WoTC and Wizkids for there gas-lighting bullshit.
It's obviously a man. No self-respecting woman would wear that outfit.
My first thought when I heard about this a couple of days ago was to wonder if Larry Elmore was still with us. Now that I know he is, I found myself wondering if there was some kind of legal action available to him. Clearly not, and it doesn't look like he'd be interested even if there was, but there really should be.
I'm not sure whether it's more insulting to an artist to clearly pervert the intent of his work after his death, or to do it while he's still alive but unable to do anything about it.
Elmore seems to be taking it in stride, or at least not want to stir up a shit-storm by speaking out in harsher terms. Someone mentioned Frank Frazetta upthread. You can bet that if someone had tried to pull this crap with his work while he was still kicking, he'd have been a lot more vocal about it.
Also, does anyone else find it funny that they made the figurine into the most hilariously over-muscled woman? She looks more jacked than the man in the painting to me. Honestly, I'd have to have been told that was supposed to be a lady, or I wouldn't have known
Quote from: Krazz on May 09, 2024, 01:19:56 PMSo a pair of breasts makes a human a woman in D&D, rather than how she identifies. Has WOTC managed to attack both sides of the culture war at once?
Well in fairness, "s"he does have a penis, and those are coconuts in his chainmail for extra protection.
All is normal in the world of modern D&D. The undead horse is still kicking and bucking.
Quote from: ForgottenF on May 09, 2024, 03:51:58 PMMy first thought when I heard about this a couple of days ago was to wonder if Larry Elmore was still with us. Now that I know he is, I found myself wondering if there was some kind of legal action available to him. Clearly not, and it doesn't look like he'd be interested even if there was, but there really should be.
I'm not sure whether it's more insulting to an artist to clearly pervert the intent of his work after his death, or to do it while he's still alive but unable to do anything about it.
Elmore seems to be taking it in stride, or at least not want to stir up a shit-storm by speaking out in harsher terms. Someone mentioned Frank Frazetta upthread. You can bet that if someone had tried to pull this crap with his work while he was still kicking, he'd have been a lot more vocal about it.
Also, does anyone else find it funny that they made the figurine into the most hilariously over-muscled woman? She looks more jacked than the man in the painting to me. Honestly, I'd have to have been told that was supposed to be a lady, or I wouldn't have known
There is something called moral rights. It differs by country. Basically, even if an artist sells a piece and its copyright, the artist can still retain moral rights which can protect how the piece may be presented and protect against defamation and other things. Moral rights vary widely by country. However I don't think moral rights existed in the US in the 80s.
Quote from: Zalman on May 09, 2024, 09:27:13 AMAs Elmore says, when he paints a woman, there's never a question about her gender.
There isn't one in this case, either.
This is just deliberate contrariness on WOTC's part in order to draw attention.
This is what mental illness looks like; the inability to discern reality from one's hallucinations.
Past generations wisely locked these people in attics and institutions, but these days they're left free to roam the streets, run the asylums, and invent regulations to punish all who don't indulge their madness.
Quote from: Chris24601 on May 09, 2024, 04:47:56 PMThis is what mental illness looks like; the inability to discern reality from one's hallucinations.
Past generations wisely locked these people in attics and institutions, but these days they're left free to roam the streets, run the asylums, and invent regulations to punish all who don't indulge their madness.
Greetings!
Yep! This is how nuts our country has become!
I think something else should be done with these insane freaks.
And just think, WIZKIDS and WOTC are actually employing mentally ill people. People that are diseased.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
it's wizkids they sucked the ass infused woke juice a few years back. They stopped listing for the PC miniatures whether they were male or female. This isn't surprising. They don't know their audience's demographics and it shows.
Meanwhile, that encouraged me to buy my 3D printer and bye bye wizkids. Dumb motherfuckers, they are easily replaced and you get a much better product.
I'm more bothered by the lame helmet actually.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 09, 2024, 03:30:17 PMIt's obviously a man. No self-respecting woman would wear that outfit.
I think it's the stance more than the outfit that makes the figure look unfeminine. The stance is what I judged most for why I interpreted the original image as a man. I think posed differently, even in the same armor/clothing, no one would have commented. Here's a similarly-dressed mini:
(https://ironwindmetals.com/images/com_hikashop/upload/fantasy/03-056-Back.jpg)
https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/categories/cat-battletech/cat-bt-rgm/product/fantasy-player-character-03-056/category_pathway-2
There have been lots of minis in women fighters in armor. Especially since there's little detail in the face possible, the two main ways to signal being a woman are (1) a prominent bust, and (2) the pose/stance.
Quote from: Brad on May 09, 2024, 08:53:41 AM"Chud-upsetting or not"
Oh I see. Insult anyone who thinks this is absolutely fucking stupid given the fact it's a male warrior and always has been. Can WotC do anything except piss off all the people who actually play D&D and aren't merely using it to pander to Marxist sycophants?
It's yet more of this tiresome "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" bullshit they pull with gender and race swaps.
It's a trap, and enough people fall for it to make it worthwhile for them to pull it.
They probably had someone go through every piece of art counting males and females and ones that might be switched to help the female numbers a bit.
Quote from: Ruprecht on May 10, 2024, 08:14:08 AMThey probably had someone go through every piece of art counting males and females and ones that might be switched to help the female numbers a bit.
Nope. They went out of their way to make it an obvious trans "female" to pander to the woke cult.
I just have to wonder if they think that any of this woke retconning is going to help sales at all.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 10, 2024, 10:54:59 AMI just have to wonder if they think that any of this woke retconning is going to help sales at all.
It has nothing to do with sales. It's just a cult and they're promoting their religion.
I think it's great.
Here we have a warrior-woman, mother of four, devout member of the Church of Law. Her husband, in fact, is a high-level patriarch in the Church. She never went on adventures until her youngest was old enough to take care of himself. She only went on adventures with her husband, whom she loves and respects. Even though other men (and some women) have tried to seduce her, she laughs in their faces, because she is a one-man woman, and always will be.
Though she is a successful adventurer, she holds her positions as faithful wife and devoted mother as more valuable than clearing out labyrinths.
She respects property rights and freedom of speech. She thinks everyone has a right to bear arms, for self-defense. She visits the orphans and the widows, as the Church advises.
She's loyal to her friends, and quick to call out true injustice. She is skeptical toward those who want to tear down society and remake it into some hedonistic free-for-all.
If she has a fault, it is lack of impulse control. Her husbands has had to raise her from the dead a couple of times.
She is charging that dragon, because it wouldn't shut up about "production for use" and "from everyone according to their abilities, to everyone according to their needs."
Quote from: jhkim on May 10, 2024, 02:20:07 AMQuote from: rytrasmi on May 09, 2024, 03:30:17 PMIt's obviously a man. No self-respecting woman would wear that outfit.
I think it's the stance more than the outfit that makes the figure look unfeminine. The stance is what I judged most for why I interpreted the original image as a man. I think posed differently, even in the same armor/clothing, no one would have commented. Here's a similarly-dressed mini:
(https://ironwindmetals.com/images/com_hikashop/upload/fantasy/03-056-Back.jpg)
https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/categories/cat-battletech/cat-bt-rgm/product/fantasy-player-character-03-056/category_pathway-2
There have been lots of minis in women fighters in armor. Especially since there's little detail in the face possible, the two main ways to signal being a woman are (1) a prominent bust, and (2) the pose/stance.
In the spirit of arguing on the internet, that's a totally different outfit. There are way more differences than similarities.
One is a white cloth or silk tunic over a maille skirt, with buff white seal skin boots and a lapis or shell encrusted dome helmet.
The other is an oily hare-fur loincloth with some kind of hardened sooty pig-leather cuirass, accessorized with a cheap horn helmet stolen from a Wagnerian prop closet.
I see WOTC/Wizkids have learned nothing from Warhammer and their AstartesHasAlwaysHadFemales lil debacle. The amount of beer holding is going through the roof.
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 09, 2024, 08:22:37 AMAlso, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
It would cause less contreversey that way.
Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on May 10, 2024, 03:22:55 PMQuote from: cavalier973 on May 09, 2024, 08:22:37 AMAlso, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
It would cause less contreversey that way.
Think this might be a case of rageclicks for attention?
Even Reddit is shooting this so called article down for its lies.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 10, 2024, 08:44:08 PMQuote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on May 10, 2024, 03:22:55 PMQuote from: cavalier973 on May 09, 2024, 08:22:37 AMAlso, why are we not getting a miniature of the adventurers on the front of the Moldvay and Cook/Marsh boxes?
It would cause less contreversey that way.
Think this might be a case of rageclicks for attention?
Almost certaintly! I highly doubt that this will be a best selling mini so they might as well get their money's worth through other means.
Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on May 11, 2024, 10:17:03 AMAlmost certaintly! I highly doubt that this will be a best selling mini so they might as well get their money's worth through other means.
It's a "chase" rarity mini so it'll be highly sought after regardless by hardcore collectors. Admittedly, I only follow modern D&D prepainted minis casually now but this is the first time/set I've seen Wizkids introduce the wretched "chase" rarity over from their clix lines into their D&D stuff. It's disappointing as it pretty much means that all the figs from the D&D 80s cartoon that I'd like to have picked up will automatically be $50+ USD instead of the more typical $15+ for rares.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 10, 2024, 01:58:02 PMQuote from: jhkim on May 10, 2024, 02:20:07 AMQuote from: rytrasmi on May 09, 2024, 03:30:17 PMIt's obviously a man. No self-respecting woman would wear that outfit.
I think it's the stance more than the outfit that makes the figure look unfeminine. The stance is what I judged most for why I interpreted the original image as a man. I think posed differently, even in the same armor/clothing, no one would have commented. Here's a similarly-dressed mini:
(https://ironwindmetals.com/images/com_hikashop/upload/fantasy/03-056-Back.jpg)
https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/categories/cat-battletech/cat-bt-rgm/product/fantasy-player-character-03-056/category_pathway-2
There have been lots of minis in women fighters in armor. Especially since there's little detail in the face possible, the two main ways to signal being a woman are (1) a prominent bust, and (2) the pose/stance.
In the spirit of arguing on the internet, that's a totally different outfit. There are way more differences than similarities.
One is a white cloth or silk tunic over a maille skirt, with buff white seal skin boots and a lapis or shell encrusted dome helmet.
The other is an oily hare-fur loincloth with some kind of hardened sooty pig-leather cuirass, accessorized with a cheap horn helmet stolen from a Wagnerian prop closet.
The artist himself has said it's a man, but of course Jhkim will argue over meaningless shit to try and score a win for the "no-truth-but-power" side.
Quote from: grimshwiz on May 09, 2024, 01:12:00 PMI went to Enworld for the first time since my first child was born 10 years ago.
I love the thread of comments bashing Elmore and how he doesn't know it is a woman or how CNA he say that.
If I wasn't banned from there I would certainly be after I would have posted on that thread.
Clueless idiots.
Jeebus, I went and read some of it. That site really is too far left with Umbran and Morrus thinking they're right and this sex swap is fine.
Quote from: Jason Coplen on May 11, 2024, 01:14:05 PMJeebus, I went and read some of it. That site really is too far left with Umbran and Morrus thinking they're right and this sex swap is fine.
I tried to be politic in my reply to Morrus as he directly quoted me.
But man, the post-modern revisionist worldview has cause so many over there to lose the plot.
The white-knight gaslighting over a ham-fisted gender swap is something to behold...
It's astounding, good sir. I shook my head throughout my read. I couldn't believe how ridiculous some of the posters were. I barely go to the site as is. Generally, it's too far left for me. Leftism is a denial of reality and it took hold there.
It's almost as bad as the big purple.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jason! I think I stepped in there, like, 10 years ago, to read, and maybe post something.
THEN, I read and watched as hordes of Woke Rainbow degenerates swarmed to attack several relatively normal members pushing back politely against the Rainbow Woke brainwashing, meanwhile Morrus and other mods stood by and did nothing, or cheered the Woke mob onwards, or actively joined in to arrogantly dress down the right-leaning people to not even think about fighting back--or else they would be swiftly punished.
I never bothered to post a thing, and have only seldom even read threads on that site since. I don't bother even really thinking about them anymore. In my brief periods of reading, I seldom saw any of my old friends still there. There is a few left, but even the small few seem to only seldom post comments themselves. So, I sadly resigned myself to avoid the site forthwith, as the place had become so corrupted by Woke brainwashing.
I haven't really missed them. This site is far superior. I do feel though that it is an unfortunate and disgusting fall from where EN-World was, back say, 2008 and before. Back then, it was a very different kind of place.
Cheers, my friend! Light up a good cigar!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
And the mods have uniformly declared that complaining about "the woke agenda" is a violation of the rules and a bannable offense.
As a D&D-focused site, I expect to see them demanding allegiance to Asmodeus before the decade is out. ;)
Hi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Quote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Kind of off-topic, but someone started a thread on "Baptism of Fire". The post was immediately challenged because Pundit is the author. "How dare you!", etc.
The guy who created the thread pointed out that it's one of the highest selling PDFs on drivethrurpg right now, but that doesn't matter.
The thread was quickly shut down, and I expect that's why the person responded in that way. Can't have people talking about a game for itself, whether it's fun or not. Which elements work, and which ones don't, etc. The guy who wrote it gives us grumblies in our tumblies.
Something, something genetic fallacy.
Quote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Welcome to the Mos Eisley Cantina of RPG forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Find a seat, order a drink and enjoy. We've got cookies.
Quote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Greetings!
Welcome to the RPGSITE!
Jump in, my friend!
It is a blessing to get away from Leftist shitholes! Don't compromise, and stand strong!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 11, 2024, 09:33:00 PMQuote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Kind of off-topic, but someone started a thread on "Baptism of Fire". The post was immediately challenged because Pundit is the author. "How dare you!", etc.
The guy who created the thread pointed out that it's one of the highest selling PDFs on drivethrurpg right now, but that doesn't matter.
The thread was quickly shut down, and I expect that's why the person responded in that way. Can't have people talking about a game for itself, whether it's fun or not. Which elements work, and which ones don't, etc. The guy who wrote it gives us grumblies in our tumblies.
Something, something genetic fallacy.
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 11, 2024, 09:33:00 PMQuote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Kind of off-topic, but someone started a thread on "Baptism of Fire". The post was immediately challenged because Pundit is the author. "How dare you!", etc.
The guy who created the thread pointed out that it's one of the highest selling PDFs on drivethrurpg right now, but that doesn't matter.
The thread was quickly shut down, and I expect that's why the person responded in that way. Can't have people talking about a game for itself, whether it's fun or not. Which elements work, and which ones don't, etc. The guy who wrote it gives us grumblies in our tumblies.
Something, something genetic fallacy.
Hi and thanks. Just read about Baptism of Fire and looks like I'll be parting with some monies. And I found his blog :-). Thank you.
Hi GeekyBugle and Shark, thanks very much for the warm greeting.
Odds are BGG is doing the same. I just dont give enough of a fuck to look anymore.
Surprised they have not infiltrated and co-opted places like RPG Pub already.
Quote from: Jason Coplen on May 11, 2024, 01:14:05 PMJeebus, I went and read some of it. That site really is too far left with Umbran and Morrus thinking they're right and this sex swap is fine.
Well evidently when morrus made the sarcastic quip to me:
"It's fun, isn't it?" he didn't really mean it...
He blocked me after my last post, which 'locks' me out of the thread because he started it.
So I can see notifications of people replying to my post, but cannot reply in turn because the thread is not available to me.
Which of course makes it look like I walked away as there is no official red text thread ban, because I didn't actually violate any of their forum rules.
Being his forum and all, morrus knew full well what he was doing...
They like to dish it out, but man they really can't take any pushback.
Oh, and welcome RPhlegethon. Also, good luck...
The mental gymnastics to try and prove the equivalent that 2+2=5 because math can universally interpreted differently. With no such thing as objective truth makes them look mentally ill.
Yeah last time I posted at rpg.Net Junior was about a decade and I see no need to go back.
Welcome to the site RPH.
Amazed by the part where he says: If you don't like the Woke agenda, you are untrustworthy, since you agreed to it when you signed up here.
Quote from: Aglondir on May 12, 2024, 07:14:20 PMAmazed by the part where he says: If you don't like the Woke agenda, you are untrustworthy, since you agreed to it when you signed up here.
Buh, buh, but there is no woke agenda! Except when there is. Then it's a good thing. But it's a conspiracy theory. Except when it isn't.
...
The female elephant in the room is that Elmore has drawn a ton of female characters. In armor, in chainmail bikinis, in loincloths, etc. Plenty to pick one and make a mini out of. But "they" (who don't exist, except when they do, and when they do it's a good thing) decided to "interpret" a character into a female. (Elmore has flatly stated it's a male.) The goal isn't to increase diversity and inclusion, it's to piss off fans and make products they don't want to buy.
Clearest instance of outrage marketing I've seen in awhile, yet not sure how alienating their target audience is going to work out for them.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 09, 2024, 08:05:26 PMit's wizkids they sucked the ass infused woke juice a few years back. They stopped listing for the PC miniatures whether they were male or female.
Yet they claim this particular model is 'purposefully and clearly' female.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 09, 2024, 08:05:26 PMMeanwhile, that encouraged me to buy my 3D printer and bye bye wizkids. Dumb motherfuckers, they are easily replaced and you get a much better product.
Which they shouldn't have a problem with, as there's nothing more Marxist that seizing the means of production.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 10, 2024, 04:17:04 AMIt's a trap, and enough people fall for it to make it worthwhile for them to pull it.
...well played.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 10, 2024, 10:54:59 AMI just have to wonder if they think that any of this woke retconning is going to help sales at all.
The trick is these are all blind boosters so they're not going to measure how well this particular sculpt sells but how successful the line in general is, and then brag about how this decision was justified.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 12, 2024, 08:27:36 PMThe trick is these are all blind boosters so they're not going to measure how well this particular sculpt sells but how successful the line in general is, and then brag about how this decision was justified.
Which brings up my disdain for blind boosters for minis. We'll see how the mini sells on the 3rd party singles market. My bet is it winds up a sub $1.00 that chogs up shelf space.
Quote from: Aglondir on May 12, 2024, 07:14:20 PMAmazed by the part where he says: If you don't like the Woke agenda, you are untrustworthy, since you agreed to it when you signed up here.
Strange, as 'woke' wasn't even a thing when I registered in 2002 ... ;)
Youngins asked me "why do dms give old grogs priority in feedback and implementation, why are newer people second fiddle"?
Answer was painful; because that grog is a player, barring snow or health issues grog will always show up to play, grog prepares to play ahead of time, grog is always playing even in time between sessions as he talks about what characters should do or are doing in downtime, grog plans in-game construction projects and draws up maps of them....grog is a real player. authentic. real.
That was the core answer, but also, if you pay attention its always the youngest or least experienced that are always whining about things w/o understanding why they are the way they are and calling that "feeback".
I think a real player, one who knows and loves the game and plays it because its fun with no ulterior motive, would be of the opinion as I was this entire time that the featured Elmore warrior was supposed to be the idealized version of the basic warrior character you play in the tutorial portion of the becmi players booklet.
Reminds of a clickbait article "scientists discover ancient fruit that prove pharaohs were gay, let that sink in, and thats a good thing, here is what you need to know and then THIS happened..."
Quote from: Abraxus on May 12, 2024, 06:48:05 PMhe mental gymnastics to try and prove the equivalent that 2+2=5 because math can universally interpreted differently. With no such thing as objective truth makes them look mentally ill.
Thats because they are mentally ill.
But this whole minis fiasco is just more proof that someone in marketing thinks outrage marketing will bring in the free advertising. And odds are it is working.
Quote from: Slipshot762 on May 13, 2024, 02:20:38 AMYoungins asked me "why do dms give old grogs priority in feedback and implementation, why are newer people second fiddle"?
Answer was painful; because that grog is a player, barring snow or health issues grog will always show up to play, grog prepares to play ahead of time, grog is always playing even in time between sessions as he talks about what characters should do or are doing in downtime, grog plans in-game construction projects and draws up maps of them....grog is a real player. authentic. real.
Definitely agree. When I was running my longest campaign, I frequently went to the grumpiest player (who incidentally introduced me to roleplaying more than a decade earlier!) for specific targeted feedback. Admittedly I fed that feedback through a filter based on knowing him for almost 15 years at that time to weed out things that were just his personal bugbears but he was the most reliable source of at least some concrete response to what I was asking. I'd ask the other players as well who were newer to roleplaying but, depending on the person and usually their length of play in the hobby, they were less likely to respond. If they were completely (<2-3 years) new to RPGs, they were more likely to slowly fade away or even just ghost than give any feedback for the in person game. If they had some experience (5-10 years), they might give a thumbs up but you had to press them for any actual detail.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 11, 2024, 10:19:57 PMWelcome to the Mos Eisley Cantina of RPG forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Find a seat, order a drink and enjoy. We've got cookies.
Just watch out for the occasional Stormtrooper to come into a thread and try shitting it up.
Quote from: RPhlegethon on May 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PMHi All, I'm new here. I've had an account over at enworld for a couple of decades.
So...I've been reading the nonsense over on en(used to be good)world about this gender swap of Elmore's art. The fascist (and I don't use that word lightly) moderation was obscene. So I googled...
enworld is a leftist sh*thole.
And now I'm here.
Welcome! I'm an ENWorld refugee as well, as are quite a few others here. I joined before 3E's release, but bailed when the site took a sharp left turn after Morrus got utterly schooled in a political argument. I definitely prefer this place