Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088406Dude, it was a joke. Calm the fuck down.

So everything you say is a light-hearted joke, but everything anyone else says is a wild-eyed crazy rant?

(Insert your entire posting history.)

My sides.

Quote from: Pat;1088400I'm offended by your stupidity.

Palladium Fantasy's list of mental disorders, including homosexuality, comes straight from the DSM, the bible of American psychiatry. Palladium was a little out of date because they used the DSM-2, which was replaced by the DSM-3 in 1980, and that edition de-listed homosexuality as a disorder or a disturbance. But they were using the single most authoritative source available, even if it was the wrong edition. And as you can tell by the dates, it has fuck-all to do with Reagan.

I was going to point that out, well explained.  Facts are inconvenient at times, for the intellectually honest they force one to question preconceived notions.

Quote from: Pat;1088414So everything you say is a light-hearted joke, but everything anyone else says is a wild-eyed crazy rant?

(Insert your entire posting history.)

My sides.

Dude, I actually was taking a lighthearted joke at the naivety of 1980's America.

Sorry I dared to criticize the Republican Messiah.

Best part is that I don't hate Ronald Reagan like i used to when I first joined this site.

I'll admit, I still have mixed feelings about his policies and legacy, but Reagan had charisma and unified a country that was largely broken due to the aftermath of a turbulent decade.

The 1970's may have gave us a lot of good things like RPG's, exploitation flicks, Star Wars, and disco music but there was a dark side to it as well.

That same decade also gave us horrifying national tragedies such as global terrorism, defeat in Vietnam, Watergate, an economic crisis, oil shortages, bad hairstyles, and punk rock.

Reagan gave us hope in the 1980's after the horrors of the 70's. He was also firm against the Soviet menace and tried to improve the economy, and for the duration of his presidency, he succeeded in doing so.

But he also naively let the Religious Right waltz in and become an albatross around the neck of American sociopolitical discourse.

Reagan's corporate deregulation policies, while well-intended and initially very beneficial for the American economy, eventually went too far and was left unchecked after Reagan left office, setting the stage for disasters like NAFTA, the collapse of America's mental healthcare system, and the Great Recession of 2008-2009.

To Reagan's credit, he was a hell of a lot better than any of his successors, especially Bush Jr. and Obama.

(I'm leaving Trump out of this assessment because he is still in office and hindsight is 20/20)

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088425Sorry I dared to criticize the Republican Messiah.

I corrected a factual error, it's bizarre that you think that implies anything about my political leanings.

Quote from: Pat;1088453I corrected a factual error, it's bizarre that you think that implies anything about my political leanings.

Forgive me for making a wrong assumption. I sort of jumped the gun due to the political culture around here.

Although this place is still alright, unlike RPGnet

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088463Forgive me for making a wrong assumption. I sort of jumped the gun due to the political culture around here.

Although this place is still alright, unlike RPGnet

It's those kind of assumptions that make it really hard to discuss politics. It's slightly less terrible here, but it sometimes seems like I have to spend 99% of my time saying "no, I don't believe that. I never said anything like that." Which makes it impossible to carry on a conversation. Your posts are better when you tone them down and make cogent points, like the part where you actually discussed Reagan, instead of going off on unrelated and repetitive rants.

Punk rock forever.

Quote from: Pat;1088491It's those kind of assumptions that make it really hard to discuss politics.

I thought we weren't allowed to discuss politics!

Quote from: DA RULZThis is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Quote from: soltakss;1088532I thought we weren't allowed to discuss politics!

You'll notice I didn't.

Greetings!

Indeed, the *Rules* explain that no political discussions are allowed, but honestly, most topics here embrace politics to one degree or another. Few topics, posted by any member, regardless even of the original thread starter's *intentions*--remain free of politics for very long. And no, honestly it isn't because there are some political ideologue shock troops, either from the right or left here constantly pushing a political angle to the discussions. The fact is, in my view, politics has been made such a thing in our society--especially pushed maniacally by the Liberals--that politics is everywhere in our culture, and seeps into nearly every conversation. Politics and ideology has, as we know, also strongly infected our game hobby in many ways. Despite Pundits desire and efforts to restrict "politics" to the political sub-forum here, even Pundit brings politics into numerous topics, and discusses them also on nearly every video. I'm not saying Pundit is being unfair, because I think even he would admit that politics is everywhere in our culture, and finds its way into nearly every conversation. I also believe that is why Pundit is indulgent with us here, for even as we might try to keep topics non-political, in the normal flow of conversation, how can you *NOT* discuss politics? It isn't like we are in front of a college class here, giving a one-topic monologue. We engage in conversations, more akin to what goes on at a smoke-filled, alcohol-swilling bar. Here and there are tables with groups of us gathered round, talking about various topics. At every table though, periodically, politics of some flavour or some tangent always gets brought up. It is the way our society has become, and it seems to be largely unavoidable in normal conversations.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

To get back on the topic of offensive RPGs, and away from the Olympic-class demonstration of things people never said:

How about Over the Edge? It's deliberately designed to be a stream-of-consciousness flow of the surreal and bizarre, inspired by William S. Burroughs. This unfettered spontaneity goes a lot of very strange places, which includes a lot of very dark places, not a few of which could considered wildly offensive. There are multiple examples in the core book, but let's start with the group who have a colorful nickname: "Pubes". It's worse than you think, because it's not just a reference to pubic hair, it's a reference to the onset of pubic hair. In Al Amarja, children can declare themselves emancipated the moment they hit puberty, gaining the full rights of adults. The book makes sure to call out that many try to prove they're adults by taking lovers, or are simply exploited by real adults; and most fail and become "low-lifes" (street rats, including minor thieves and prostitutes). So yes, they went there. And it probably won't generate as much outrage as the sexual exploitation of children, but one of the major street gangs in the Edge is a band of a baboons, run by a woman who fucks them. So bestiality as well.

And that's not even touching on the supplements and adventures. Wildest Dreams and With a Long Spoon are even worse. And they were all published in the early to mid 1990s, long before the internet started to normalize every possible fetish.

Unless I've overlooked something in the rules, they don't explicitly say "no political discussion", they say, amongst other prohibited things, that "devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion" is prohibited.

It seems that if the political discussion is directly related to the topic, and that topic (at least, in this forum) is about RPGs, then it's tentatively allowed.

Quote from: myleftnut;1086287So I'm a book collector before a gamer these days and I realized I have a growing collection of offensive books. Kult, MYFAROG and The Mutant Epoch come to mind.  Who can name offensive titles that have seen print?  I wish to add them to my collection. I'm still trying to track down the legendary F.A.T.A.L.

My own contribution to offensive RPGs will see print later this month or in June, depending on my editor/formatter/cover artist's migraines. An earlier version is still available in PDF but it needed a lot of work from the aforementioned editor etc. and wasn't formatted well enough to print.

I know it's going to be offensive because I just read a thread on the Big Purple's  game design forum where someone said that he was thinking of making men + 1 to strength and women + 1 to perception and reading six pages of people kicking the shit out of him and then the moderators closed the thread.

In Glory Road Roleplay men are + 2 in Size and women + 1 in Con. Size and Con both contribute to Strength but Size usually contributes more. However, Size is a negative in most other respects while Con is always good to have. So, no one who actually plays the game (and we've been playing since 1982) would  trade one point of Con for two points of Size. But it's still offensive.

And, for Ghu's sake, get out and do some gaming.

While not an RPG. The wargame Faerie Meat sure gets some people to flip out.

Not sure if it was an RPG or a board game. But one called Cam Girls cot some flack around the same time Tournament of Rapists was. Big Breasts-Small Waist came under fire too as the mob looked for more targets.

Quote from: Spinachcat;10862952) Why would Kult be offensive? I've run Kult. It's Hellraiser the RPG.

I don't find Kult offensive, exactly, but it's definitely too squicky for me. The fact that you can gain enlightenment from extremely good or evil behavior means that raping your way to freedom is perfectly valid, for example.

Quote from: Omega;1088620While not an RPG. The wargame Faerie Meat sure gets some people to flip out.

Not sure if it was an RPG or a board game. But one called Cam Girls cot some flack around the same time Tournament of Rapists was. Big Breasts-Small Waist came under fire too as the mob looked for more targets.

There was a miniatures game called Spinespur that was controversial.

Mr. Jingles

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