Looking through the 3.5 D&D Monster Manual, under the listing for Frost Giants, there is the Jarl. He has the Blackguard prestige class. I'd swear that this harkens back to the original "Giants" modules. I keep thinking I saw Gygax refer to the Jarl as a "blackguard." Not the prestige class, of course, but in the old fashioned sense of him being a villain. Does anyone else remember such a reference, and if you do, where is it? I've gone through those modules a few times looking for it, mostly because I thought it was a cleverly obscure reference linking the old D&D to the new.
I couldn't decide what forum to put this in, so I apologize if I chose wrong.
I did a few quick seaches through my G1, G2 and G3 .pdfs, but couldn't find anything, yet. I'll take a more thorough look later...
Are those pdfs from Drivethrurpg or RPGNow? I was wondering about the scan quality. My hardcopies of Against the Giants and Queen of the Spiders are pretty beat up, and I was wanting to save them any further wear and tear.
I got mine from RPGNow. The scans aren't perfect, but they're good enough for general table use.
Quote from: CyclotronI got mine from RPGNow. The scans aren't perfect, but they're good enough for general table use.
Did they use OCR so that you can select or search text?
That makes them much more useful to me.
Quote from: NicephorusDid they use OCR so that you can select or search text?
That makes them much more useful to me.
Absolutely.
That's how I did my search for "blackguard" and "jarl".
Any questions about the Giants series needs to have Leo involved. That dude knows that stuff inside and out.
has leo been around here yet? if not, then why not? ;)
Against the Giants thread? I am here!
In my hands I have the original G1-3 module in all it's green goodness. I had a copy of G3 somewhere but I don't know where it is. Anyway.
page 14 at the bottom it shows some info on the jarl. In no way shape or form is he a blackguard. He's got his wife, a cloud giant, but no mention of him being anything blackguardish.
If anything I would venture to say that King Snurre of the Fire Giants was more of a blackguard than anything. He had ridiculous armor, a huge sword, and was more of a religous person than the Jarl was. He was the last person the PC's fought before they went underground with the drow.
Leo! man, i wish i would have consulted with you before i ran G1. that could have been much more fun - for me. ;)
Quote from: LeopoldAgainst the Giants thread? I am here!
In my hands I have the original G1-3 module in all it's green goodness. I had a copy of G3 somewhere but I don't know where it is. Anyway.
page 14 at the bottom it shows some info on the jarl. In no way shape or form is he a blackguard. He's got his wife, a cloud giant, but no mention of him being anything blackguardish.
If anything I would venture to say that King Snurre of the Fire Giants was more of a blackguard than anything. He had ridiculous armor, a huge sword, and was more of a religous person than the Jarl was. He was the last person the PC's fought before they went underground with the drow.
I guess I'm just misremembering.
Quote from: BOZLeo! man, i wish i would have consulted with you before i ran G1. that could have been much more fun - for me. ;)
I'm always open for Q/A on that thing. You were with me the first year I ran G1 with 14 PC's slaughtering the giants in their hall with a Dire Celestial Elephant? Good times. Never saw hit points dissapear so fast off the charts.
I PMed you at Limper Land about it, but do you have conversion notes to post here?
Quote from: LeopoldI'm always open for Q/A on that thing. You were with me the first year I ran G1 with 14 PC's slaughtering the giants in their hall with a Dire Celestial Elephant? Good times. Never saw hit points dissapear so fast off the charts.
oh man, now i really regret not talking to you first. the PCs (11-12th level for the most part) mowed through the regular hill giants like nothing, even in groups of 20 or more. they didn't have a real challenge until i sent the cheif (with 12 levels of barbarian), with his 3 stone giants and the cloud giant against them, while they were split up and still fighting the hill giant druid/vampire. ;) they fled using a dimension door and bag of holding to avoid the possible TPK. :)