Quote from: flyerfan1991;686381Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Henry VI's kid.



Unless GRRM decides that part of the resolution for the series is to simply kill her at the end, causing her invasion to fail like the "good daughter" in King Lear.

I wouldn't hold it past him.  Maybe the real "henry tudor" is yet to come (say, if John Snow turns out to not be Ned's son after all, but rather the son of ned's sister with that Taegaryon prince who died).

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Quote from: Votan;686779Interesting.  I was thinking of Robb Stark, who was also a warrior king, married somebody that was inappropriate and lost the support of a major noble (Frey).

Yes. Rob's wedding to that woman who's name escapes me now was DEFINITELY based on Edward of York's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville; and the subsequent shitstorm that followed; mind you in the historical version, Edward ended up winning out in that one (unlike Robb).

I mean that's the thing, its not a straight-up copy; most of the historical figures of the War of the Roses are spread out over various different game of thrones characters.  The Earl of Warwick (the Kingmaker) is one-part Tywin Lannister and one-part Littlefinger, for example.

QuoteThe character I can't really place is Stannis.  

Not sure if he's an exact match to anyone.  I guess that of the three York brothers (Renly clearly being George Duke of Clarence), that would make Stannis Richard Crookback (and he certainly shares some characteristics with him, but not all - there's obviously a different side of Richard Crookback in Tyrion, for example).

In terms of sheer badassery he reminds me of the Duke of Exeter; who was a grandson of John of Gaunt and thus somewhere down the ways in the line of succession.  Dude was captured by Yorkists right at the start of the War of the Roses, locked up in a castle, then fought his way out. He was known both for his extreme violence in war and his cruel nature (the torture instrument we know as "the rack" was at that time nicknamed "the duke of exeter's daughter").  He terrified the Yorkists.
He fought for Lancaster (and warwick) at the battle of barnet, already in his 40s, where as his men fled he stood (so the story goes) against hordes of Richard Crookback's men, and they cut him down with countless blows, and left him for dead.  Only the sonofabitch actually survived and managed to drag himself through enemy territory to take (church) sanctuary just outside London.  The king was forced to agree to spare him his life in exchange for his turning himself over.
He was imprisoned for three years until he was offered freedom in exchange for going to fight in France; but he was thrown overboard on Edward's (probably) orders on the boat crossing, because the York brothers were too scared he'd survive the French too.
I can kind of imagine Stannis doing that sort of shit.
Also, Exeter is a good counterpoint to anyone who says its not "realistic" for a high-level fighter to have 100 hp.


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Quote from: RPGPundit;687198Also, Exeter is a good counterpoint to anyone who says its not "realistic" for a high-level fighter to have 100 hp.


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Yes, because he was fighting them naked and not in a full plate :rolleyes:.

I suppose Lionheart and Pyrrhus were some 0 - level pussies since they both died from a single cheapshot.

I mean, especially Pyrrhus, a pot/roof tile is what, 1d3 improvised weaponry?

Quote from: RPGPundit;687198I mean that's the thing, its not a straight-up copy; most of the historical figures of the War of the Roses are spread out over various different game of thrones characters.  The Earl of Warwick (the Kingmaker) is one-part Tywin Lannister and one-part Littlefinger, for example.

This is actually a strength of the series -- because the parallels are not exact you cannot just read the histories and know what is going to happen.  

Of course, if the Tudor ending happens it is the uniting of the two rival lines.  That is a very hard outcome to picture right now, especially as I cannot see Daenerys Targaryen entering another political marriage (nor is there a Baretheon scion that would be logically a possibility).  Only Stannis is still alive, he has only a daughter, and he is already married.  

One feature of the War of the Roses that I have been reading about is that several authors claim that it was a fairly low impact war on English prosperity.  A lot of people died (see Towton) but there was evidence of technological and mercantile improvements (seems that the nobles killing each other off was good for the middle class).  

That combination might make it a good time period for adventures.  

No chance of Dark Albion coming out?

Quote from: Votan;687215No chance of Dark Albion coming out?

No one's volunteered to publish it.

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