Quote from: Batman;1054749I took that to mean if you're running sanctioned Society groups and games.

Such advice should then be in Pathfinder Society rules and guidance, not in their core rulebook.

Anyway I won't be buying Pathfinder 2e. I am a little bit concerned if someone should want to run it at my D&D Meetup.

Let's not even get into despite how "woke" the proclaim themselves some of the material in their own book a very unsafe in the so called safe spaces they want at tables. A friend pointed out to me the hypocrisy between them telling people how to run games. Yet have a iconic monster like Ogres which they ruined by the way. Act like a cross between the mutants from hills have eyes and the hillbillies from Deliverance cranked up to a factor of 20. Typical a company that in their quest to pander to SJWs forgets that they have questionable printed in their own books.

Quote from: sureshot;1054794Let's not even get into despite how "woke" the proclaim themselves some of the material in their own book a very unsafe in the so called safe spaces they want at tables. A friend pointed out to me the hypocrisy between them telling people how to run games. Yet have a iconic monster like Ogres which they ruined by the way. Act like a cross between the mutants from hills have eyes and the hillbillies from Deliverance cranked up to a factor of 20. Typical a company that in their quest to pander to SJWs forgets that they have questionable printed in their own books.

It's ok, they only rape and devour Straight White Cisgender Men.

I think the Black Arrow Rangers of Fort Rannick was the only group in Golarion not to have any female members - very convenient!

To be fair he did have a Dryad or was it a Nymph lover on the side. I think they should release a new poster for PF 2E. "PF 2E Social Justice Thrives! ".

Thanks to them being woke they need to clarify and have concise rules on what is acceptable behavior and topics at organized play tables. A blanket anything and everything is going to be a fiasco. I can just see a player running a melee class such as Fighter having a lucky night with the dice. Be called out on being insensitive for enjoying killing imaginary creatures.

Then again I have never been a fan of society play. PFS were responsible for too many unpopular nerfs to the rules. Oh no Crane Wing is broken yet Sacred Geometry is a-okay.

Paizo MMO balancing approach was the beginning of the end.

It was the start of their desire to Nerf everything into the ground because they don't want to be developing for 3e.

If they were not so equally heavy handed in their nerfing of  stuff on the rpg it would not be so bad. Something thst requires nerfing is ignored or the nerfs are nuke it from orbit style nerfs.

Let's not be too hard on the system.  We need to remember, they've never designed a system from the ground up before, so let's cut them some slack there.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1054834Let's not be too hard on the system.  We need to remember, they've never designed a system from the ground up before, so let's cut them some slack there.

(I really want to believe you're doing the e-equiv of tapping your nose and winking here... but in case you're not...)

Errr... NOOO!

That's not how 'dis shit works. They've built up an RPG company, 'have had time to figure out what works and what doesn't. A limp-wristed attempt to draw in the 3.5e gamers while circumscribing that actual influence AND THEN having the audacity to act like this is their system that they're totally re-doing it all and revampin' 'n' shit. Nahhhh...

*Hall & Oates time* I can't go for that, go for that, nooo no!

Quote from: S'mon;1054769Such advice should then be in Pathfinder Society rules and guidance, not in their core rulebook.

Anyway I won't be buying Pathfinder 2e. I am a little bit concerned if someone should want to run it at my D&D Meetup.

I find purging with fire works wonders. Their screams as their skin crispens and flesh burns settle my stomach much more nicely than Tums after they've just introduced their bullshit to my table.

Quote from: S'mon;1054769Such advice should then be in Pathfinder Society rules and guidance, not in their core rulebook.

Anyway I won't be buying Pathfinder 2e. I am a little bit concerned if someone should want to run it at my D&D Meetup.

I find purging with fire works wonders. Their screams as their skin crispens and flesh burns settle my stomach much more nicely than Tums after they've just introduced their bullshit to my table.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1054836(I really want to believe you're doing the e-equiv of tapping your nose and winking here... but in case you're not...)

Errr... NOOO!

That's not how 'dis shit works. They've built up an RPG company, 'have had time to figure out what works and what doesn't. A limp-wristed attempt to draw in the 3.5e gamers while circumscribing that actual influence AND THEN having the audacity to act like this is their system that they're totally re-doing it all and revampin' 'n' shit. Nahhhh...

*Hall & Oates time* I can't go for that, go for that, nooo no!

I was being facetious, if accurate.  I mean, they have never built a system up from the ground, they stole the 3.5 stuff and bolted their house rules and 4e adds that they liked.  But I'm not going to give them a pass, and neither should anyone.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1054869I was being facetious, if accurate.  I mean, they have never built a system up from the ground, they stole the 3.5 stuff and bolted their house rules and 4e adds that they liked.  But I'm not going to give them a pass, and neither should anyone.

I struggle to understand why 3.5 is good, but I really enjoy it and certain massive changes evaporate that special magic.

One could probably just rewrite the core Rulebook for Pathfinder and make a pretty good edition. I'm struggling on what to change, but if my livelihood depended on it, I would probably give the thought more effort.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1054892I struggle to understand why 3.5 is good, but I really enjoy it and certain massive changes evaporate that special magic.

One could probably just rewrite the core Rulebook for Pathfinder and make a pretty good edition. I'm struggling on what to change, but if my livelihood depended on it, I would probably give the thought more effort.

Yeah there is something appealing about 3.5ed despite all its clunkiness that's hard to put a finger on. A big part of it (at least for me) isn't the rules themselves so much as the fact that I know the rules well enough that I can run it quickly. Pathfinder is hard for me that it's similar enough to 3.5ed that I default to 3.5ed rules but different enough from 3.5ed that I can't do that and have to keep all of the changes straight, which makes it harder for me to run than a whole new game or a lightly houseruled 3.5ed.

If you haven't take a look at Mongoose Conan d20 (2nd edition). It's the cleanest version of 3.5ed and the magic system is great.

Quote from: sureshot;1054794Let's not even get into despite how "woke" the proclaim themselves some of the material in their own book a very unsafe in the so called safe spaces they want at tables. A friend pointed out to me the hypocrisy between them telling people how to run games. Yet have a iconic monster like Ogres which they ruined by the way. Act like a cross between the mutants from hills have eyes and the hillbillies from Deliverance cranked up to a factor of 20. Typical a company that in their quest to pander to SJWs forgets that they have questionable printed in their own books.

I'm not an SJW and I still found this disgustingly sexist, racist, etc. The way another book describes half-ogres as "polluted" is reminiscent of old racist propaganda about the one-drop rule. (Tieflings are not described in anywhere near the same negative manner, even though their ancestors are demons, because tieflings are seen as cool and edgy. Their poster child is Annah-of-the-Shadows, a CGI supermodel!)

There are over a dozen monsters whose shtick is pretending to be a beautiful woman to lure heterosexual cismales so she can either eat them if she's evil (lamia, jorogumo, vouivre, alraune, succubus, harpy, etc) or play house if she's not evil (siren, thriae, nymph, dryad, etc). A single generic "monster temptress" which fits this MO is fine, but a trend like that is indicative of either misogyny or sexual fetishism. In fact, the alraune was pulled directly from Monster Girl Encyclopedia.

Oh my God, I just realized that Golarion is Paizo's magical realm!

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1055061I'm not an SJW and I still found this disgustingly sexist, racist, etc. The way another book describes half-ogres as "polluted" is reminiscent of old racist propaganda about the one-drop rule.

They're not very bright. They based their half ogres off Hollywood Deliverance style tropes of inbred Appalachians, reckoning that hillbillies are an acceptable target for racism, but didn't consider that by having the half ogres be the result of human settlers raped by ogres they were actually reversing the trope into HP Lovecraft territory.