Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;9474601) We have made several adjustments throughout the past five months on artwork, up to and including drawing cash and prizes on creatures where it synced up with the bestiary's entry.

Cash and prizes?

I had to stop to figure out what the hell you meant. And that's a big part of why this comes across as so juvenile. Five year olds have cutesy names for genitalia, adults are more direct. Just say what you mean, instead of making us puzzle out all these bizarre euphemisms.

And san dee jota is completely right about the "real world" races. Caucasoid (not caucasian), mongoloid, and negroid are avoided almost everywhere because their history is inseparable from racism, and they're not useful classifications anyway. And lumping a language group/collection of ethnicities in with that mess is not a good idea.

Quote from: Cruxador;947284You should absolutely not default your races to a European/American melange, because that's both marginalizing and boring

My non-white players don't seem to mind playing quasi-European-race PCs.

They do always seem to give their quasi-Euro elves & humans black hair, though.

(I agree with rest of your post.)

Quote from: Nexus;947461Wait, there were complaints that the Carnal Demon, some sort of infernal embodiment of Lust and sexuality was too fetishized?

I know right?  The one creature in the book that it absolutely makes perfect sense to fetishize.

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;9474601) Yes, it was. We have made several adjustments throughout the past five months on artwork, up to and including drawing cash and prizes on creatures where it synced up with the bestiary's entry.

was one of the prizes "Pin the Penis on the Minotaur?"

Quote from: CRKrueger;947471I know right?  The one creature in the book that it absolutely makes perfect sense to fetishize.

Why not add a battleship, as well? They pre-date leather culture.

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;9474601) Yes, it was. We have made several adjustments throughout the past five months on artwork, up to and including drawing cash and prizes on creatures where it synced up with the bestiary's entry.

Wow you couldn't even get new pieces of artwork done to include in your faux sexual revolution? You just added "junk" on to existing art?

I know you are doing this with a budget and crowd funding but that just seems like the cheapest cop out ever...

Please tell me all of your editing is not being done through voluntary submissions on forum posts? (it looks that way from the hit to stun forums) You are planning on paying a real editor at some point correct?

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;947477Wow you couldn't even get new pieces of artwork done to include in your faux sexual revolution? You just added "junk" on to existing art?

I know you are doing this with a budget and crowd funding but that just seems like the cheapest cop out ever...

Please tell me all of your editing is not being done through voluntary submissions on forum posts? (it looks that way from the hit to stun forums) You are planning on paying a real editor at some point correct?

We have one interior artist, and this is for a few reasons. Primarily, Dejan and I have a fantastic collaborative relationship. I also wanted the artwork's style to have continuity throughout the book.

But what you may not realize is that artwork is constantly changing and in motion. Some pieces gets dumped (for instance, we have a pile of over 45 pieces that went unused). New ones get added. Illustrations undergo constant changes and tweaks, until it's dialed in just right. We try something, and if it doesn't work, we change it. We're constantly engaging our public to get their feedback.

Do you have an agency or marketing background? I strongly suspect you don't, because that is how the creative process works.

Early Access PDF was released before we brought a professional editor onboard, however it underwent early edits over the past year with a handful of part-time collaborators. During Kickstarter, we put up stickied threads for the public to help go through the document in a collaborative fashion.

After being funded, we hired professional editor Matthew Pook, whose credentials speak for themselves. We were able to expedite the proofreading & editing process down to less than 45 days on a 630 page book. Let me tell you - as a fourteen year seasoned veteran in agency business - that's a phenomenal achievement. It wouldn't have happened without the public's help from the Strike To Stun forums.

Quote from: Nexus;947461Wait, there were complaints that the Carnal Demon, some sort of infernal embodiment of Lust and sexuality was too fetishized?

No, it's saying the Daemonette of Slannesh is "transgender" and thus the game is "inclusive."

Quote from: Pat;947475Why not add a battleship, as well? They pre-date leather culture.

It's not earth, it's supposed to be a Warhammer analogue.  Google up Slaanesh images sometime.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;947482No, it's saying the Daemonette of Slannesh is "transgender" and thus the game is "inclusive."

wasn't it specifically pointed out that the Lust Demon wasn't intended to the "inclusive" aspect of the artwork, at least in the sense of transgendered. But complaints about it being over fetishized was specifically mention as occurring on social media exchanges?

QuoteHey gang, we had a long, hard talk internally last night.

While we can concede that some of the artwork needs to be changed, we also want to keep the integrity of our artistic vision intact regarding nudity. Our first step is to 'desexualize' the artwork, and address the penises and breasts in a more natural way. Some may be tactfully changed, whereas others may disappear entirely. However, we intend to keep a few creatures in their 'natural' state (such as the Nephilim & Skrzzak Broodmother). We are also going to readdress the Carnal Demon (daemonette) in a way that's less fetishized and offensive to our transgendered fans. I'll post another update once we make the changes.

And, as before, if you are dissatisfied with our approach, we'll give you a refund, no questions asked. Thanks!

I gathered from the above that some Trans fans found it over fetishized. Which seems like a curious complaint about a sex demon.

Edit: Zweihander's post 39 indicated that intent of the Lust Demon wasn't to be inclusive or represent transgendered people just, well, just a supernatural monster with hermaphroditic genitals.

Quote from: CRKrueger;947483It's not earth, it's supposed to be a Warhammer analogue.  Google up Slaanesh images sometime.

Exactly one transgender monster is shown, and it's a creepy sex freak wearing gear from a real world modern subculture.

QuoteThe mighty Taurus are often the leaders of the pack, grotesquely afflicted with satyriasis and drunken rage.

Clearly unnaturally tainted by Chaos for as we know from the Bard,

QuoteDrink sir, is a great provoker of three things....nose painting, sleep and urine. Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire but takes away the performance.

Quote from: Pat;947488... creepy sex freak wearing gear from a real world modern subculture.

... and another instance, you have rat-men who speak the common tongue bearing WW1-styled weapons powered by magical green gunpowder that resembles a flamethrower. In another, you have a cat-like vampire in a smoking jacket with backwards-bending fingers who 'sucks' the spirit out of its hosts through mesmerization. And in another, an extra-dimensional demon made of an inexplicable geometry, comprised of metal, flesh and horns who doesn't speak in languages, but physically projects their words using illusionary pictographs above their head.

Welcome to Warhammer... or, in this case, our interpretation of it.

Quote from: Pat;947488Exactly one transgender monster is shown, and it's a creepy sex freak wearing gear from a real world modern subculture.

I wouldn't call the Lust demon "transgender". Its not someone who identifies with a sex/gender other than their biological one. Its an infernal monster with feminine and masculine human sexual characteristics (you can't tell from the image if it has full female genitals as well). I'd imagine given the nature of the setting the representations of transgendered characters would be cross dressers unless magic were involved. I mean, yes it is creepy but its a servant of a Demon Lord of Lust. I don't think leather fetishism only appeared in the modern era. I doubt many of them did that aren't tied to modern developments.

Quote from: Pat;947488Exactly one transgender monster is shown, and it's a creepy sex freak wearing gear from a real world modern subculture.

That monster is not transgender. Transgender does not equal a female looking demon with a penis. To say it is: Is spreading ignorance, bigotry, and the freakshow view toward people who are transgender.

Being transgendered. Someone who feels they were born the wrong gender is not a choice. It is not a fetish. It's a serious medical condition.

Spreading bigotry and misinformation is extremely harmful to those with the condition. And it needs to stop.