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Nudity, gender inclusivity and racial representation in RPGs

Started by ZWEIHÄNDER, February 23, 2017, 11:56:25 AM

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Nexus

Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

AsenRG

Quote from: Nexus;948161Oh for fuck's sake....

Can we just go back to talking about sensible things like what a minotaur's dick would really look like? Futanari demons and the men/women that love them? Fun shit like that
I concur:).

Quote from: Simlasa;948164Maybe they put out intoxicating fumes as well... exuding supernaturally powerful scents of lotus and mandragora from their 'pink secrets'... labia coated in hallucinatory drugs... penises dripping venom that bring ecstasy and death.
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Beer-goggles never worked for me, even the handful of times that I tried to put them on:D!

Quote from: Nexus;948166Could be magic. Just saying... :D
Such powerful magic is for the Exalted, not for demons, and you'd notice even the classical demons didn't have it;)!
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Tristram Evans

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;948138I'll tell you a secret: A good fiction writer needs to have a touch of insanity to truly make their characters feel alive and vibrant. To create that illusion of life so vital to making their characters compelling.

Yes, thank you for that hallmark greeting card non sequitur.

The point is, you are trying to define an area of entertainment through the lens of your personal issues. It doesn't make a genre "immature" because you can't separate a fictional theme from your emotional baggage, that implies the onus is on the genre to cater to your personal sensibilities. And frankly, that's not a mature worldview.

Tristram Evans

Quote from: Nexus;948161Oh for fuck's sake....

Can we just go back to talking about sensible things like what a minotaur's dick would really look like?

Cant see why it wouldn't look like a human dick, but cant wrap my head around who would go to the trouble of circumcising it. But then, the same question goes for the nipple rings. Between this, the daemonettes, and the "nosferatu", I just kinda get the feeling the artist is conflating "dark and edgy" with 90s fetish culture.

Tristram Evans

Quote from: Nexus;948166Could be magic. Just saying... :D

"Fizzbang's Spell of Foreskin Prunation"?

crkrueger

Quote from: Tristram Evans;948192Yes, thank you for that hallmark greeting card non sequitur.

The point is, you are trying to define an area of entertainment through the lens of your personal issues. It doesn't make a genre "immature" because you can't separate a fictional theme from your emotional baggage, that implies the onus is on the genre to cater to your personal sensibilities. And frankly, that's not a mature worldview.

Remember this is the guy who thought Wildfire is criminally guilty of fraud for not releasing a supplement before a new edition of Cthulhutech.
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Quote from:  ZWEIHÄNDERto better explain our approach to real-world racial and gender inclusiveness in the character artwork.

Which is what exactly? How did any of this manage to be inclusive?

Quote from: David Johansen;948046I think this thread indicates that people are more offended by the announcement than they are by minotaur penises.  It's an odd landmark in the internet age.

That's because at heart it's always been about proper belief rather than manner. The #Internet just enables people to address that more directly.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;948051That and the weird relationship rpgs have had with concepts of moral guardianship since at least the late 70s/early 80s.

Only now the calls are coming from inside the house.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;948051even a lack of statement is considered a statement,

Though less of one.

There's a reason politicians invented the phrase "no comment".

Quote from: Willie the Duck;948051There seems to be no good option.

There isn't, which is why sticking to your guns and demonstrating integrity is often a better bet in the long run.

Quote from: David Johansen;948054My distributor tells me that the badly edited and largely unplayable T5 sold way more copies than it would have if it'd been perfect out of the gate.

This affects technical industries like programming too. For example, the most popular programming languages are the ones which get talked about the most, but the ones which get talked about the most tend to be the most broken or trendy, which is why they get talked about so much.

Have I mentioned how annoying that is? Because it's annoying.

Voros

Missed the apparently serious discussion of what a minotaur penis would really look like earlier. Oh, and maybe it is uncut 'cause he's Jewish.

Tristram Evans

Quote from: CRKrueger;948195Remember this is the guy who thought Wildfire is criminally guilty of fraud for not releasing a supplement before a new edition of Cthulhutech.

oh, lol, yeah didn't connect the two. Bloody hell. This site needs a wiki.

Tristram Evans

Quote from: Voros;948199Missed the apparently serious discussion of what a minotaur penis would really look like earlier. Oh, and maybe it is uncut 'cause he's Jewish.

Not a lot of Israelites running around in the ploytheistic Old World, from what I recall, but maybe Zweihander is doing its own thing.

Voros

Ha, yeah but apparently according to Wikipedia satyrs did have circumcised penises.

Gotta love that footnote:

Hodges, F. M. (Fall 2001). "The ideal prepuce in ancient Greece and Rome: male genital aesthetics and their relation to lipodermos, circumcision, foreskin restoration, and the kynodesme". The Bulletin of the History of Medicine. 75 (3): 375–405.

Nexus

Quote from: Tristram Evans;948193Cant see why it wouldn't look like a human dick, but cant wrap my head around who would go to the trouble of circumcising it.

For me it depends on the creature. I didn't see write up for the Minotaurs in this setting. If they're a race circumcision and piercings could just be a part of their culture like it is with some human cultures. Maybe like a manhood ritual where young males have to prove their toughness by performing it on themselves, for instance. Body modifications don't have allot of practical function for humans (some do but not all) there's no reason they have to be innately logical for different races. If they're more one off creatures then it is harder to explain other than that's just what this one looks like perhaps due to a personal affectation.  

QuoteBut then, the same question goes for the nipple rings. Between this, the daemonettes, and the "nosferatu", I just kinda get the feeling the artist is conflating "dark and edgy" with 90s fetish culture.

I can't make a call on what they were thinking but the imagery doesn't put me off or strike me as too modern but that's a personal taste issue. I like how Carnal Demon looked but I won't claim its objectively better than other concepts for such beings.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;948194"Fizzbang's Spell of Foreskin Prunation"?

Ha!

I was referring to why Carnal Demon might attract even people of that find its nature unappealing, sorry. :)

Though, in a setting where its a common practice, I could imagine a utility spell of that nature probably incorporated into something more like magic for simple surgical procedures unless magic is very specific by nature. I guess in D and D terms it would only take a minor healing spell to make the procedure quick healing and infection free
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Nexus

Quote from: Voros;948199Missed the apparently serious discussion of what a minotaur penis would really look like earlier. Oh, and maybe it is uncut 'cause he's Jewish.

Sorry about that. I let some frustration spill over about the ensuing derail about psychological trauma inflicted by squicky character backgrounds.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Darrin Kelley

#238
Quote from: CRKrueger;948195Remember this is the guy who thought Wildfire is criminally guilty of fraud for not releasing a supplement before a new edition of Cthulhutech.

They advertised and teased said supplement for two years. Building up anticipation amongst their customer base all along the way. Then in a complete dick move, pulled the rug out from under the customers they had been promoting said book to for those two years.

Two years of deliberately misleading their customers is not a mistake. It's not something to shrug off as if it were nothing. Bad business is bad business. That's what it was. And the customers shouldn't have to just suck it.

The moderators of the purple have habitually acted to suppress, derail, and outright troll threads that contained consumer complaints regarding bad business practices by RPG companies. Which gives the impression, to me, that they believe that said companies should be above being held accountable by their customers. And has led to my impression of that place as being anti-consumer.

That is one of among the many reasons I left the purple in my rear view mirror. And started posting here.
 

Nexus

Quote from: Voros;948212Ha, yeah but apparently according to Wikipedia satyrs did have circumcised penises.

Gotta love that footnote:

Hodges, F. M. (Fall 2001). "The ideal prepuce in ancient Greece and Rome: male genital aesthetics and their relation to lipodermos, circumcision, foreskin restoration, and the kynodesme". The Bulletin of the History of Medicine. 75 (3): 375–405.

That's a pretty interesting little article. Thanks or the link.

And I repeat: Humans are weird.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."