Quote from: Nexus;948058cucks?

4chan slang. Short for 'cuckolds'.

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;948042This is a case of American prudish instincts. Boobs are alright, but when it comes to dicks, suddenly people are uncomfortable.

Hahaha oh wait, you're serious.

First rule of producing a commercial work: know your customers.
Second rule: don't insult them.

Quote from: David Johansen;948054meh...controversy sells.  My distributor tells me that the badly edited and largely unplayable T5 sold way more copies than it would have if it'd been perfect out of the gate.

Maybe - but I doubt that would have been the case if they didn't already have a market from T1-T4.  (And since when does bad editing = controversy?)

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;948042This is a case of American prudish instincts. Boobs are alright, but when it comes to dicks, suddenly people are uncomfortable.

OR apparently not every red blooded A-M-E-R-I-CAN is confused on which bathroom to use as the media would have you believe. When I pop open a PBR and read that statement "Boobs are alright", I'm like, Fuck an A they are!

Don't forget all of those Puritans came from jolly ole holier than thou England! I mean the English were on a losing streak (almost an entire damn empire) for centuries and then finally...
Jethro Tull, a right proper metal band. (Ok, they didn't totally bend over for Hitler either but let's face it their empire is pretty much reduced to a bunch of sheep shit islands in the south Atlantic they are fighting to keep from a bunch of 3rd rate Mexicans).

So maybe since we are talking about a game based on a game that was first produced in jolly ole England, maybe they could use some advice from America on how to correctly do blood/gore/death violent (and how to speak damn English for that matter).

It starts with not having your manhood hanging out there to be cut/shot/bitten off! And it is called a truck, say it T-R-U-C-K, not a lori. It rhymes with fuck and we use gas, not a liter of petrol (or we use diesel if your truck has actual balls hanging from it like they do in my part of this blessed nation).

See there it is... for too long have we let the internet be ruled by nancy boys jumping peter first on hand rails, tethering bottle rockets to their junk, and generally smacking each other in the nuts. We were told that this is perfectly acceptable "art" to have twigs and berries exposed to such atrocities.

Enough! No more madness! And that goes for having drawn peckers wagging around in a war game just waiting to be mutilated. That is not the American way. Keep it secret, keep it safe. Don't draw them; then we do not have to think about losing them. Man parts are to be cherished and kept out of the way. Boob plate it to be lovingly painted with utmost attention on every miniature. We keep safe the things we cherish....

And one more thing for thou condescending Euros, Aussies or what the Hell ever asses.....now we have DONALD J TRUMP as president so we kick foreigners back to their own countries to us as toilets!

Signed,
Americuh! Bitches.

Quote from: Nexus;948058cucks?

A relatively meaningless term. well, it has a meaning (the one that Cave Bear mentioned), but in reality just means 'person I dislike or want to imply should not be respected.'

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;948063Maybe - but I doubt that would have been the case if they didn't already have a market from T1-T4.  (And since when does bad editing = controversy?)

Controversy might not be the right word. However, a lot of people, who had previously been bad-mouthing the project from taking too long immediately switched over to badmouthing the decision to release the edition at that point. It was definitely the most visible thing to happen to Traveller in recent memory.

Quote from: san dee jota;948039While I'm supposed to say "arousal is subjective" and all that sort of stuff, there comes a point where it's okay to call a paraphilia a paraphilia.

Of course they are. There are also things that are neither paraphilias, nor arousing to someone with my tastes:).

Quote from: Nexus;948040Good thing I didn't say they did...

"What I find erotic is exciting and sexy, what you find erotic is a twisted perversion." is pretty common attitude. There's almost nothing harder to "get" than someone else's kinks and turn ons and almost nothing easier to judge. There's a ton of them I don't understand, some of that gives me the creeps but are, nonetheless, popular. Humans are weirdos.

See my reply above. But my point is that a demon of lust should be attractive to everyone, which implies shape changing, or at least to as many people as possible.
And that, IME, would mean not having the characteristics of both sexes;).

Now, if you are going for a demon of lewdness, things might be different, but it was advertised as a demon of lust!

Quote from: AsenRG;948077But my point is that a demon of lust should be attractive to everyone, which implies shape changing, or at least to as many people as possible.

Maybe the 'demon of lust' isn't meant to inspire lust but to embody it... it lusts for everything... it's ready to fuck or be fucked by all comers. Maybe it exudes pheromones that make it irresistible regardless of it's variant hardware.

Quote from: AsenRG;948077See my reply above. But my point is that a demon of lust should be attractive to everyone, which implies shape changing, or at least to as many people as possible.

That assumes that is the only one kind of lust demon, perhaps there sorts for all types of fetishes and perverse tastes. Maybe it has pheromones or magic that inspire lust (Slaneesh deamonttes have some similar, IIRC) or its not meant to inspire lust but to embody it, in all forms, with as many possible...

And you have more of a problem with a hermaphrodite than an octopus wearing the skin of a woman as far as  not many people lusting after it? I've seen much more futanari and pre op transexual porn than Leatherface the Octopus porn.

I mean there's fertility Godd/esses and other mythological figures  depicted as hermaphrodites as objects of sexual desire and fertility.

Or as monsters. Or both, So a demon meant to be an example of humanity's sexual excesses and transgressions being dual gendered doesn't seem unreasonable.

People are weird.

I get that that particular concept for a Lust Demon doesn't arouse you (and others. Truthfully it doesn't do much for me either). Some would be appalled by the new one. Others would disagree and some quite strongly I can understand that but I don't feel that eliminates it as a concept for lust demon. Tristram Evan's lust demon concept works too for the same reasons. Hell, if you want to pick nits then the only concept that would be acceptable would be shapeshifter as there's no single form that's going to appeal to absolutely everyone.

I liked the original because it was alien and "other" yet close enough to human for the intent to be clear even if you find it repulsive. The revised version is okay just seems a little "generic" in comparison. I could see them existing in the same setting though.

Hey gang,

Slight change of plans - Kickstarter Live isn't working at the moment. Instead, we're going to livestream from my Facebook profile at 2PM CST today. You can ask any questions in the comments section, and we'll be sure to upload the AMA to our site following the conversation.

Today, I will speak more about ZWEIHÄNDER's progress, shipping updates and clarifications regarding late pledges and the distribution of the illustrated PDF.

Adam Rose - our lead playtester - will also be joining us to help answer any questions related to clarify rules, character creation and helping solve some of the more unusual exceptions-based rules you may have about ZWEIHÄNDER.

Tune in today (Feb 28th) from 2-3PM CST on Facebook, as we go live to answer your questions.
See you all soon!

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-d.fx

I'm surprised that no one brought up this (https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2017/02/13/the-dickballs-advocate) comic in this whole thread - since it just came up a couple weeks back.

Quote from: Cave Bear;9480614chan slang. Short for 'cuckolds'.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;948068A relatively meaningless term. well, it has a meaning (the one that Cave Bear mentioned), but in reality just means 'person I dislike or want to imply should not be respected.'

Ah, thought it might have been a typo given the topic of conversation.

As a consumer I am getting sick of it being equated that: Grimdark = Mature. Because that is anything but the truth.

Being a sufferer of manic depression. I can certainly tell you how destructive grim material and imagery can be to one's psyche.

Grimdark by its very nature is not a mature point of view. It is a product of adolescent hopelessness and feelings of alienation.

Think there for a moment. Adolescent. As in: Not grown up. As in: Not matured.

Beating the hope and optimism out of someone is something that absolutely shouldn't be given praise. It's cruel act of terrorism to deliberately force a distorted worldview on someone. It's an act of assault on that person.

I'm going to share a story now that is pertinent to this.

It's been a couple of decades since this happened. I would GM at a local comic book store. We did Champions. It was during what I call my formative years as a gamemaster. The tradition at that store was.: As long as someone paid part of the electricity and heating with donations. They could stay. The store owners basically overruled the GM on that. Not the best environment in which to play. But it was the only one we had.

We had a player. Older guy. Former police officer. He wrote extremely detailed character background stories. Being naive`, and generally trusting in police and former officers. I accepted his material.

To say it was graphic is an understatement. It contained things that generally weren't even shown in the gore filled horror movies of the day. It was like watching a car accident. I wasn't able to stop reading that stuff. I had never seen anything like it before or since. It was horrible.

I stopped GMing for three years because of that guy's material. I became literally afraid of sitting in the "big chair" for fear of encountering something similar. It was something I couldn't un-see.

The timing of this was before White Wolf arose to prominance as a game company. So I wasn't used to horrible imagery. My upbringing had been relatively sheltered in that regard during my childhood. And I would freak out over classic movies like "The Blob". So movies with high gore and horrible imagery I did not view as being a common or normal thing. As in: It did not have any true sense of immediacy on my life.

I've heard the term: "Squick" used to describe exposing someone to terrible shocking imagery to provoke a usually horrified reaction. I obviously don't like that term or the act it describes. It's an act of the purest cruelty to me.

Later in life as I got more into White Wolf's games. And managed to get my hands on their infamous "Eternal Hearts" novel. I read through that book. And it still wasn't as bad to what I had been exposed to by that ex-cop.

But I look back at the innocence I lost as being tragic.

Part of why I got into RPGs in the first place was as an escape from a pretty rough real world existence. It was my outlet. An escape from the horrors of my real life. I was chasing a more optimistic point of view and existence than the one I actually lived. I was running toward hope.

If I could say anything to that ex-cop, these more than two decades later. I would tell him how much of a scumbag I thought he was for psychologically raping me. By exposing me to what he did. And I would also tell him. That I reject all of it. That I have done everything in my life as a writer and a GM to never inflict on others what he did to me.

In the end, I came full circle and found myself. I'm back to the beginning. Writing material that chases optimism and hope. Because I truly believe the world needs more that does.

Wow...  You rose to nothing and instead you went deeper into shelter land.  This should be nothing more than water on a ducks back and yet you let it effect you deeply.  

That is weak.  Your weak.  You carried a grudge cause the ex cop had a backstory you didn't like.  Seriously the only one in the wrong is you.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;948123As a consumer I am getting sick of it being equated that: Grimdark = Mature. Because that is anything but the truth.

Being a sufferer of manic depression. I can certainly tell you how destructive grim material and imagery can be to one's psyche.

Grimdark by its very nature is not a mature point of view. It is a product of adolescent hopelessness and feelings of alienation.

Whats mature is being to able to enjoy grimdark for the inherent silliness.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;948126Whats mature is being to able to enjoy grimdark for the inherent silliness.

I prefer not to get more jaded toward what I read than I already tend to be. That's an edge I would rather not fall off.

I mentioned that I chase hope with what fiction I produce. That doesn't mean a lack of darkness. No. I write about characters who overcome the dark elements in their lives. Instead of submitting to them.

To me, that's heroic.