Quote from: AsenRG;947818I can't say anything about "better", too much eye of the beholder*, but I can say that I, myself, like it better.

Yeah, I just meant I liked it better. The lack of painted-on cocks certainly helps.

Quote from: Nexus;947956Does this mean you're going to be frozen in carbonite now?

Y'know... someone's got a smiley for that.

Quote from: Nexus;947826Degree of anatomical difference mostly. An attractive figure with say, small horns might be tempting, a crimson skinned, goat legged, forked tailed but otherwise attrative humanoid might be considered "exotic but attractive". Like most other standards of appearance its largely subjective. Some people found Dren from Splice Exotic but attractive, others found her to be horrific.

Depends on the viewer really. Tristam's Lust Demon isn't unlike some creatures depicted in more unusual porn. Eye of the Beholder and all that. Some body horror is overtly sexual. Its the mixture of attraction and revulsion that gives it impact.

Never able to understand the revulsion part, have I been:). What revolts me, makes me either indifferent or aggressive, not horny.

QuoteBeats me, I've never taken or seen a poll. People find many strange things attractive, often more than they admit too publicly.

True, but not all of them find the same strange things attractive;).

Quote from: Tristram Evans;947899Rum vs tequila?

Rum:D!

Quote from: CRKrueger;948000So the Carnal Demon, ie. The Supernatural, Evil creature embodying all of humanity's sexual desires, from vanilla to Sodom & Gomorrah levels, now has its nipples covered because that's just Beyond the Fucking Pale.

Instead of "adding cocks to everything" you go with "sanitizing the game to get a G rating"? Your KS comments are already telling you you went too far back the other way.  Why you're listening to people who have no idea what the fuck the Warhammer world is, or admit they aren't going to buy the product is beyond me, but whatever.

Beats me as well, but such is publishing these days, it seems;).

Quote from: S'mon;948014Yeah, I just meant I liked it better. The lack of painted-on cocks certainly helps.

+1

Quote from: AsenRG;948034What revolts me, makes me either indifferent or aggressive, not horny.

While I'm supposed to say "arousal is subjective" and all that sort of stuff, there comes a point where it's okay to call a paraphilia a paraphilia.

Quote from: AsenRG;948034Never able to understand the revulsion part, have I been:). What revolts me, makes me either indifferent or aggressive, not horny.


True, but not all of them find the same strange things attractive;).

Good thing I didn't say they did...

"What I find erotic is exciting and sexy, what you find erotic is a twisted perversion." is pretty common attitude. There's almost nothing harder to "get" than someone else's kinks and turn ons and almost nothing easier to judge. There's a ton of them I don't understand, some of that gives me the creeps but are, nonetheless, popular. Humans are weirdos.

Quote from: CRKrueger;948000So the Carnal Demon, ie. The Supernatural, Evil creature embodying all of humanity's sexual desires, from vanilla to Sodom & Gomorrah levels, now has its nipples covered because that's just Beyond the Fucking Pale.

Instead of "adding cocks to everything" you go with "sanitizing the game to get a G rating"? Your KS comments are already telling you you went too far back the other way.  Why you're listening to people who have no idea what the fuck the Warhammer world is, or admit they aren't going to buy the product is beyond me, but whatever.

This is a case of American prudish instincts. Boobs are alright, but when it comes to dicks, suddenly people are uncomfortable.

Regardless, there are cases of nudity still in the Bestiary. However, the more pernicious ones we showed the public were eliminated to meet both the community's needs and to satisfy our distributor. In brief: rated X became rated R - we just had to get a little more clever with penises and breasts in the work.

At this point, I'd like to see a rpg that openly included nudity and sexually explicit material in a manner that complimented and felt like a part of the world and was handled in an entertaining evocative manner (even if its was "just" for titillation). I'd also like a unicorn that craps gold bricks. Just getting people to agree what those criteria would mean would be Hell of a feat.

I think this thread indicates that people are more offended by the announcement than they are by minotaur penises.  It's an odd landmark in the internet age.

Quote from: Nexus;948044At this point, I'd like to see a rpg that openly included nudity and sexually explicit material in a manner that complimented and felt like a part of the world and was handled in an entertaining evocative manner (even if its was "just" for titillation). I'd also like a unicorn that craps gold bricks. Just getting people to agree what those criteria would mean would be Hell of a feat.

Isn't that what Venger Satanis' RPGs are all about? I've only read the reviews, but sleaze is ingrained into the work and world he presents. Basically, Heavy Metal, if it were turned into an RPG.

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;948048Isn't that what Venger Satanis' RPGs are all about? I've only read the reviews, but sleaze is ingrained into the work and world he presents. Basically, Heavy Metal, if it were turned into an RPG.

I haven't had the opportunity to look at them though I've heard of them.

Quote from: David Johansen;948046I think this thread indicates that people are more offended by the announcement than they are by minotaur penises.  It's an odd landmark in the internet age.

That and the weird relationship rpgs have had with concepts of moral guardianship since at least the late 70s/early 80s. But it's really glaring. Must be doubly so as a game writer/publisher, as even a lack of statement is considered a statement, and not including nipplage/genitalia where some expect it might be construed as cowing to (possibly imagined) pressure. There seems to be no good option. My guess is that the best policy is to just have a little blurb in your book saying something like, "much discussion has occurred in this industry over questions related to gender, sexuality, gratuitous use of sex and nudity (especially in artwork), and other socio-political issues. This product wishes to be an apolitical product, while recognizing that that is impossible." Or something to that effect, although that to might cause an uproar.

I don't have any real advise to you ZH. My gut tells me that including nudity is more trouble than it is worth. Certainly dismissing something as "American prudish instincts" isn't going to make them go away. Either way, you have my sympathies on this conundrum.

'Probably would have been less of an issue if it had been better communicated during the actual campaign that the artwork would be NSFW (as in, full-on sexual nudity).

I don't really care either way (I love James Raggi's stuff and Kingdom Death is awesome) but I was kind of surprised when the announcement came out of nowhere.

I'll admit that all the cries of "PURITANS! PRUDES! CUCKS!" is pretty hilarious. I wasn't aware that GRIM DARK meant "cocks everywhere".

meh...controversy sells.  My distributor tells me that the badly edited and largely unplayable T5 sold way more copies than it would have if it'd been perfect out of the gate.

As for grim dark, not just penises everywhere but vast penises from which there is no escape as they blot out the sun and wail the battle cries of their dark gods.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;948051My gut tells me that including nudity is more trouble than it is worth. Certainly dismissing something as "American prudish instincts" isn't going to make them go away. Either way, you have my sympathies on this conundrum.

Barbarians of Lemuria freed the nipple, so did Spears of Dawn, I don't recall anyone giving a shit.  If Fox had kept his mouth shut it wouldn't have been auch a thing, but I suspect he's doing the "there is no bad publicity" thing where for every hundred people screaming on the internet who isn't buying your product, their noise reaches the few who do.

Quote from: Necrozius;948052'Probably would have been less of an issue if it had been better communicated during the actual campaign that the artwork would be NSFW (as in, full-on sexual nudity).

I don't really care either way (I love James Raggi's stuff and Kingdom Death is awesome) but I was kind of surprised when the announcement came out of nowhere.

I'll admit that all the cries of "PURITANS! PRUDES! CUCKS!" is pretty hilarious. I wasn't aware that GRIM DARK meant "cocks everywhere".

cucks?