Quote from: AsenRG;947818I can't say anything about "better", too much eye of the beholder*, but I can say that I, myself, like it better.

I mainly try to please myself (which I do sometimes for a short period at least), but when I do finish my game I hope my stuff appeals to an audience substantial enough to justify a print run.

QuoteWhat's the difference between "tempting" and "exotic but attractive"?

Rum vs tequila?

Quote from: Spinachcat;947846Tristram, I absolutely love your Daemon of Secrets!!

thanks, that one was just so random, originally I'd done just a giant hand with an eye in the palm, mouths on each of the fingertips and then a dozen small feet, which was fun but didnt turn out to well. May give that another pass someday. I really liked the snake for arms,  I may use that again at some point.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;947833So @ZWEIHÄNDER, exactly what were you trying to achieve with this, and did you succeed?

Read within:

Quote from: KickstarterHey gang,

We appreciate everyone's feedback on the recent batch of artwork for the bestiary. It's a critical part of our design process, and a way for us to self-check ourselves against the needs and wants of the community.

Following this, we spent the weekend revising a number of creatures from the bestiary. This includes dialing back the explicitness, and revamping a handful of creatures whose images could be taken out of context. The changes manage to 'sanitize' some of the images, while keeping with our vision of the bestiary.

The following includes revised images and a handful of ones we haven't made public yet. Kickstarter's interface won't allow us to dial in the image size correctly, so they may appear to be of lower quality than they actually are.

We'll work on releasing Professions and Races images later this week, as to better explain our approach to real-world racial and gender inclusiveness in the character artwork.

Thanks everyone, and happy gaming!

-d.fx

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grimandperilous/zweihander-grim-and-perilous-rpg/posts/1817859

The new Taurus I think is a step backward. The new Carnal Demon I like better than the original. The Nephelim I could go either way on.

They seem dull to me.

Why ditch the nudity?

Quote from: HappyDaze;947830I took the time to read the entire thread before I went and looked at the art that is supposed to be featured. That art is not very appealing, and the dicks have nothing to do with it. It just looks rather crappy to me. Oh well, it's not like I was ever going to by z-hander in any event, but now I won't even fish for free downloads if the art is going to be that bad.

Yeah - it's a bit subpar as far as RPG artwork goes even aside from being black & white.  (though far better than I could do )  Maybe it's in part because they have (apparently - from another post in this thread) well over 600 pages to scatter artwork over, so they can't afford to get high end stuff.  Really good art is expensive.

Quote from: Nexus;947929They seem dull to me.

Yeah, they're nice enough drawings but nothing about them is catching my interest. At least the nudity of the previous versions suggested a certain 'otherness' to the creatures. I'd suspect it's the art direction more than the artist though.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;947936Yeah - it's a bit subpar as far as RPG artwork goes even aside from being black & white.

What is 'par' for RPG artwork these days?

To me they're competent drawings, consistent style on the 'gritty' end of the spectrum. They've got nothing on the old Warhammer artwork, especially in the Lost & Damned books, but I certainly prefer them to a lot of what I've seen of bland-as-fuck 5e and Pathfinder artwork.

Quote from: Nexus;947929They seem dull to me.

I like the style okay, and I like the Facedancer (the Nosferatu is way too WoD, not remotely classic Warhammer or setting appropriate), but some of them are just direct rip-offs of Warhammer, which seems...ill advised to me, especially in regards to that Skaven.

For all the etheric mood from the smoky shading, it constrast so heavily with the stark outline detail. And the "now with added wang!" seems almost like a comedic afterthought. Especially so since most of these creatures are assumed extra-dimensional.

"Now with more tits & wang!" is not really doing service to these works. They somehow take an etheric/astral horror, already rather grounded by fine line detail amid hazy tones leaving little to the imagination, and demystify them further as everyday biology beasties. There's no distortion, no mystery, no menace.

Something about the mood is off. And I think, as much as needless grafted content is an issue, it has something to do with the tension between the art's high detail & hazy value. They are both competing for the idea of the monster, but unlike it spilling forth stark from a smoky portal, it's too overlapping and feels like a bait 'n switch. It's more like a porn show passing off like bad burlesque: *blam* "there it is! mysterious, isn't it?" "not anymore, really..."

edit: About the new stuff, I dig the formorian crone. The nosferatu looks like more tired White Wolf. I am still conflicted on the art style. It feels like it is not taking advantage of its chiaroscuro leanings. Or maybe a white background really messes with that mood for me, as the sketch is almost a negative drawing of what the chiaroscuro painting could be?

Quote from: Marleycat;947865I love you Spike.

I know.

Quote from: Spike;947953I know.

Does this mean you're going to be frozen in carbonite now?

Quote from: Opaopajr;947952There's no distortion, no mystery, no menace.

Yeah! What he/she/they said!

For whatever it is worth, stylistically I don't really care for the art. Not bad art, just not for me. Besides that, I'm not offended by the depiction of dicks and tits per se, but it does/did seem a bit gratuitous and over-emphasized. As far as the statement is concerned, maybe I'm just a jaded asshole, but I'm just so fucking sick of the idea that "everyone has got to accept everything and make everything acceptable to everyone" attitude that is permeating society. Granted, I'm in a grouchy fucking mood right now, but Jesus-titty-fucking Christ I am so sick of the friggin SJW/Politically Correct/Accept Everything horseshit.
Okay. I'm an asshole. Oh well. I don't like everything. I'm ok with that.
I don't mean anything against you personally, Zweihander, but the statement just kinda set me off.
Otherwise it sounds like your project is a good one with a lot of effort by dedicated people, and that is admirable.
Ignore my shit-fit and fight the good fight. I played some WFRP 1E decades ago and thought it was interesting and a nice change of pace on occasion.

So the Carnal Demon, ie. The Supernatural, Evil creature embodying all of humanity's sexual desires, from vanilla to Sodom & Gomorrah levels, now has its nipples covered because that's just Beyond the Fucking Pale.

Instead of "adding cocks to everything" you go with "sanitizing the game to get a G rating"? Your KS comments are already telling you you went too far back the other way.  Why you're listening to people who have no idea what the fuck the Warhammer world is, or admit they aren't going to buy the product is beyond me, but whatever.