I have always felt that GW's 'Chaos' is a little too orderly.  I know that's partly the limitations of manufacturing miniatures but imagine regiments of daemons where every figure is truly unique.

Quote from: Spinachcat;947748Other than Dark Albion, has there been an OSR Warhammer clone?

Because of this thread, I got a PM asking me to dabble into it, but I wonder if its already been done.

Small But Vicious Dog is excellent and inspired, but unfortunately not very playable.

There is also a Runequest revision of WFRP floating around, but I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

Love the artwork Tristram. Have you offered your services to game designers? Seem publish worthy.

Quote from: Wraith;947704A liberal uses "negroids" to virtue signal and be inclusive. What a buffoon! You can't make it up. LoL!

What word do conservatives use?

Quote from: cranebump;947797What do conservatives use?

"urban".

Quote from: Nexus;947798"urban".

Heh...good one...

Quote from: Voros;947795Love the artwork Tristram. Have you offered your services to game designers? Seem publish worthy.

Nothing that's come to anything yet. Mostly I just don't have the time right now for anything more regular than sketches, at least not until I finish my degree.

Quote from: Spinachcat;947764Thank you! I will check it out!

GURPShammer 2.0 is also floating around out there. It's more comprehensive than SBVD and actually playable. But GURPS... meh.

Quote from: S'mon;947767Tristram your art is very nice & certainly vastly better than that of the OP!

I can't say anything about "better", too much eye of the beholder*, but I can say that I, myself, like it better.

*And a beholder is part of the d20 IP, so let's not mix things up:p!

Quote from: Cave Bear;947773Why do demons of lust always have tits?
A lust demon could just as easily have gaping anus for a mouth with a bunch of dripping tongues writhing out that terminate in groping hands and ogling eyes.  If you want to get edgy, anyway. If you still want it to have tits you could make the lust demon a turgid, phallus shaped monstrosity except that the testicles are the breasts, and eight women's legs arranged like the legs of a spider, or octopus tentacles but with nipples instead of suction cups.
I'm saying you can get creative and original with it.
Don't just stick Halloween horns and tentacles on a generic hot chick though. That's boring and lazy.

Because they're supposed to evoke lust:)? That's why the incubus and succubus are the same demon: it's shapechanging so it could evoke the lust of people attracted to either sex.

If you see a dripping tongue with groping hand, I'd personally just go "slimy rosy tentacle, stab it to death - a spear from a distance preferred, or cut off the tentacles first". Anything remotely sexual will simply not register for me.
Your other suggestion is even worse. Gaping anus...how do I know it's an anus and not just Generic Demonic Mouth-Replacing Opening? By the contents?
If the contents match, then, with all due respect, you've just designed a shit demon, not a lust demon:D!

Quote from: Nexus;947775Speaking personally, it would depends on if the lust demon was supposed to be tempting or exotic but attractive

What's the difference between "tempting" and "exotic but attractive"?

Quoteor an example of sexuality twisted into something inhuman and monstrous (body horror, IOW).

The problem with body horror is that it only translates into one emotion: aggressive disgust. While fitting for a Warhammer-inspired game, that's not really what Slaanesh would want you to feel...

QuoteA figurative pantheon could easily contain several types, "traditional" succubi/incubi and hentai tentacle rape beasts and then some varying according by what they're meant to invoke (lust, revulsion, terror, etc).

Exactly.

QuoteOf course, if look at some of the porn floating around on the internet you can never tell exactly what a particular image might inspire in some viewers

I'll give you that:D!
But let's just say a demon that's not a shape-changer would have a hard time being attractive to most mortals if it looked like some the porn you referenced.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;947781Well, just to be clear - its not a hot chick, look closely and you'll see that its a skinless octopi thing with a hot chick's skin grafted onto it.

Yeah, that was an excellent touch, IMO;)!
(I always try to add IMO when discussing art, because it's even more subjective than games, IME:D).

Quote from: AsenRG;947818What's the difference between "tempting" and "exotic but attractive"?

Degree of anatomical difference mostly. An attractive figure with say, small horns might be tempting, a crimson skinned, goat legged, forked tailed but otherwise attrative humanoid might be considered "exotic but attractive". Like most other standards of appearance its largely subjective. Some people found Dren from Splice Exotic but attractive, others found her to be horrific.

QuoteThe problem with body horror is that it only translates into one emotion: aggressive disgust. While fitting for a Warhammer-inspired game, that's not really what Slaanesh would want you to feel...

Depends on the viewer really. Tristam's Lust Demon isn't unlike some creatures depicted in more unusual porn. Eye of the Beholder and all that. Some body horror is overtly sexual. Its the mixture of attraction and revulsion that gives it impact.

QuoteBut let's just say a demon that's not a shape-changer would have a hard time being attractive to most mortals if it looked like some the porn you referenced.

Beats me, I've never taken or seen a poll. People find many strange things attractive, often more than they admit too publicly.

I took the time to read the entire thread before I went and looked at the art that is supposed to be featured. That art is not very appealing, and the dicks have nothing to do with it. It just looks rather crappy to me. Oh well, it's not like I was ever going to by z-hander in any event, but now I won't even fish for free downloads if the art is going to be that bad.

Quote from: Nexus;947331I have to wonder what the reaction to the art would have been without the statement in the OP.

Quote from: Wraith;947563Good job blatantly politicizing your product and alienating a lot of potential customers.  :rolleyes:

I'm sorta in the same boat.

So @ZWEIHÄNDER, exactly what were you trying to achieve with this, and did you succeed?

Tristram, I absolutely love your Daemon of Secrets!!

One of my favorite depictions of a lust demon was in In Nomine, I believe Superiors II. The art was of a wholly clothed, gender ambiguous human leaning against an entryway with their shirt slightly open and giving the viewer smoldering bedroom eyes and a smirk. The model was very reminiscent of Jaye Davidson, from The Crying Game & Stargate, yet with homage to the painting of Ophelia.

Sometimes less is very much more.

Quote from: Spike;947266Eh. I'm just fine with seeing tits and cocks all over the place, I guess. I'm not too worried about the artistic statement behind inclusion, and frankly I AM a bit tired of everyone trying to decide for me if I can, or cannot be trusted to see tig ol' bitties and whatnot.

I'm a bit... headscratching... over the Transgender and Intersex inclusion, unless you're referring to things like the lust demon, as the rate of occurrence is far far lower than the current mania for talking about transgender and intersex would have you believe, at least in any world remotely like the real one.  Its a bit like that weird couple of paragraphs in the 5e D&D book, it doesn't really add anything meaningful in and of itself, it's just a bit of virtue signalling and pandering that is more annoyance than anything else.

Dunno why I'm even commenting, since I didn't even know you were flogging a game until I read the first post. For all I know this is the RPG based on Corruption of Champions/deviant art, and I'm way off base, in which case, rock on and let your freak flag fly high and proud.

Otherwise it feels like that SNL skit about Cheetos.

I love you Spike. I knew about his game because he pimped it everywhere even in my 57 home churches. But the church thing is totally my issue. It's an Obrimos thing... all about those pesky yantras you never need to bother your brain about it. From what I have read it's actually solid for Warhammer most recognize. Haven't seen the magic though and that's the make or break thing for me.... obviously.