Quote from: Snowman0147;947329Really people?  Who fucking cares if some monsters have some naughty bits showing?

Is it an American thing? That whole thing were violence is good and wholesome, but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts.

And all this bitching only happens when decide to advertise like Paizo.  Seriously this one of my to complaints as this shit had already proven to bite you in the ass.  

Seriously if you never went that diversity sells pitch people would had look at that lust demon as a knock off daemonette and nothing more.  Which brings up a real question.  Why are you using knock off versions of warhammer daemons?  I get you want to be close to the source, but can you use different demon princes?

Quote from: Simlasa;947513Is it an American thing? That whole thing were violence is good and wholesome, but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts.

Sadly yes it is.  I blame the puritans for that flaw.

About the game, I don't care how much dicks and tits you have in the book, nor how many races you represent. If anything, a Warhammer-inspired book without naked bodies would be weirder, to me:).

Quote from: Anselyn;947458I agree on the circumcision. "Creatures" presumably don't have sufficient culture to go in for organised genital mutilation.

Having personal experience with circumcision, I disagree with calling it "mutilation", at least when it's about males;).

Quote from: AsenRG;947531Having personal experience with circumcision, I disagree with calling it "mutilation", at least when it's about males;).

In some cases, attacks on male circumcision have been perceived as being anti-Semitic in origin.

And some times, they're right.

Quote from: san dee jota;947534In some cases, attacks on male circumcision have been perceived as being anti-Semitic in origin.

And some times, they're right.

This wasn't anti-semitic; it was more anti-American. My perception was that this is considered normal in the US but is much rarer in Europe - and so the art defaulted to foreskin-free (and actually the artist may be European so I'm off target anyway).  

A quick Google suggests the circumcision rate is probably falling in the US - and a bit higher than I thought in the UK [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision].   It does seem a culturally normalised unnecessity though.

Quote from: Simlasa;947513Is it an American thing? That whole thing were violence is good and wholesome, but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts.

No it is not an "American thing".

If you can't afford the channels to get nudity on your tv, re-examine your life choices and your RPG budget.  For me, it does not even take "premiums channels" thanks to IFC on the basic package.

As for the "but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts", that is just a Libtard argument usually made by anti-gun Hollywood people right after they pimped their latest ultra violent gun movie. Funny how that happens.

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;947480We have one interior artist, and this is for a few reasons. Primarily, Dejan and I have a fantastic collaborative relationship. I also wanted the artwork's style to have continuity throughout the book.

But what you may not realize is that artwork is constantly changing and in motion. Some pieces gets dumped (for instance, we have a pile of over 45 pieces that went unused). New ones get added. Illustrations undergo constant changes and tweaks, until it's dialed in just right. We try something, and if it doesn't work, we change it. We're constantly engaging our public to get their feedback.

Do you have an agency or marketing background? I strongly suspect you don't, because that is how the creative process works.

What, are you mad bro?

I do work with the marketing group here but I'm also the general manager so I have my hands in everything from time to time.

I'm very well aware that art can change, be dumped, changed some more, brought back, yada yada. The problem is that the art you presented looks like it got brought back and placed into someone's hands that was not fully aware of the original concept. It looks like you cut a 14 year old loose to add some "cash and prizes" to what was originally some decent art work doen by someone else.

On top of that, you decided to use your product to make a political statement when it didn't need to. And then you pissed off some of the very people you were trying to pander to from the remarks I read on Kickstarter.

You had a bad week... shake it off and don't try to make it personal about me. I, along with a bunch of people here, just called you on your B.S. which I think you knew would likely happen here anyhow.

But ultimately, if I was not truly interested in buying your book and take on a condensed WHFRP 1e, I wouldn't be this deep in the thread.

Good job blatantly politicizing your product and alienating a lot of potential customers.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;947547As for the "but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts", that is just a Libtard argument usually made by anti-gun Hollywood people right after they pimped their latest ultra violent gun movie. Funny how that happens.

And yet libtards aren't afraid to let LGBT people use the bathroom. Go figure.

(Libtard? Seriously? [sigh] Man, you guys sure circulate the talking points. Funny how THAT happens.)

It's a creative product. He can market it how he wants. I won't be buying it, but then, I don't purchase many new games. I do feel like going the anatomically correct route with the product doesn't do much to play up the announced "grim" nature of the work. But then, it's not my baby. thIt's the creator's. They can do with it what they want. I don't consider it a personal affront that the person's attitudes or politics play a role in it. It's just a damned game system, for goodness' sake.

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;947547No it is not an "American thing".

If you can't afford the channels to get nudity on your tv, re-examine your life choices and your RPG budget.  For me, it does not even take "premiums channels" thanks to IFC on the basic package.

As for the "but naked ladies are 'dirty' and will turn the children into perverts", that is just a Libtard argument usually made by anti-gun Hollywood people right after they pimped their latest ultra violent gun movie. Funny how that happens.

That totally misses the point. What you can wank to in your basement isn't a total snapshot of the culture you live in - especially in the public sphere. If you want to have a look at what's considered acceptable in public look at what gets you various ratings for films. (from Wikipedia: Motion Picture Association of America film rating system)

Violence
Depictions of violence are generally restricted to PG and above. The violence in a PG rated film will not be intense, while violence that is both intense and persistent will generally require at least an R rating. Violence is not prohibited in G rated films, but if present will be minimal.
 
Nudity
Nudity is restricted to PG and above, although only brief nudity is permitted in a PG rated film. Nudity that is sexually oriented will generally require an R rating. As of 2010, the MPAA has added a descriptor of "male nudity" to films featuring said content.

So any sexual nudity is the shock equivalent of violence that is "intense and persistent", which I presume means something much more than a lot of mooks being offed.  I'm not saying that violence is promoted as "good and wholesome" in that code - but actually all the way back into Westerns when a man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do: that is to solve problems with violence - it's a cultural norm.

Quote from: Snowman0147;947408K got the free version.  Holy shit it is a massive tome that is over 630 pages without art added to it.  I fear the PoD cost and thank God himself that I am getting the PDF.  Beyond a few complaints I find this book to be pretty good on paper.

This the main thing that would keep me away, as my tastes have changed, regarding crunch and reference. But there certainly is an audience for heft. I'm just not in it.

Quote from: cranebump;947569This the main thing that would keep me away, as my tastes have changed, regarding crunch and reference. But there certainly is an audience for heft. I'm just not in it.

well, I don't know how much this game has changed from whfrp, but the original game was pretty light, probably somewhere around D6 star wars in crunch level; the bulk of the book was GM stuff and background.

combat was basically roll d100 against weapon skill, if the hit is successful, reverse the numbers for location. Then roll damage points. If it exceeds the hit points of the location, then roll for the critical hit effect. Thats essentially all there is to it, and its the most complex system in the game; most everything else is d100 or d10 roll under attribute.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;947572well, I don't know how much this game has changed from whfrp, but the original game was pretty light, probably somewhere around D6 star wars in crunch level; the bulk of the book was GM stuff and background.

combat was basically roll d100 against weapon skill, if the hit is successful, reverse the numbers for location. Then roll damage points. If it exceeds the hit points of the location, then roll for the critical hit effect. Thats essentially all there is to it, and its the most complex system in the game; most everything else is d100 or d10 roll under attribute.

I see. Hmmm...well, how about chargen? About how long does it take to make a character. I would assume since it's "grim," quick chargen would make sense.

Is it something like Osric or the B/X Rules Compendium then? (trying to get a feel for what we have here).

Quote from: cranebump;947578I see. Hmmm...well, how about chargen? About how long does it take to make a character. I would assume since it's "grim," quick chargen would make sense.

Is it something like Osric or the B/X Rules Compendium then? (trying to get a feel for what we have here).

chargen is very similar to early editions of D&D, though doesn't map exactly to any of them. Pick one of 4 races, roll attributes, pick one of 4 classes, roll for profession, then roll for skills. Each chart to roll on is built upon the previous choices. The professions are the main difference from D&D's system, in that they pretty much replace levels. They determine starting equipment, skills (some skills for free, others much be rolled for, with the list based on race/class), and as xp is earned while pursuing a profession, it determines bonuses you can buy to your attributes. Once you advance as far as you like in a profession,  you can choose one of the career exits to a new career, or start with another basic profession, depending on game circumstances.