As you might remember, we took Pendragon's map and made a full-size,
professional quality print version as a X-Mas gift for Pundit. Here's how
it looks like!
FYI, Alejo is about 1.90 meters tall (6 ft. 3 in.), and I'm 1.71 (5 ft. 7 in.).
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00565_edited.jpg)
Spread over a dining table:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00564_edited.jpg)
Close up:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00566_edited.jpg)
Close up with my hand as comparison:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00567.jpg)
Comparison with Forgotten Realms' map:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00569_edited.jpg)
This baby costed a little over $60 USD.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x215/JongWK/RPG/DSC00568.jpg)
Yeah, the Pendragon map is THAT big. :haw:
When you say professional quality you're not kidding. In the closeups the clarity and detail is beautiful, which also speaks highly of the folks who originally created the map. And that seems like a great price, too.
Awesome!
Quote from: JongWKYeah, the Pendragon map is THAT big. :haw:
Very cool. What is it printed on? It looks pretty heavy.
What would really be cool would be to have something like that printed on to cloth. Given the print-on-demand T-shirt printers they have now, that shouldn't be too far off.
Yeah, now the major dilemma is how the fuck do we manage to hang up the fucker?
Its too big to just use double-stick tape (it would almost certainly fail to hold up something of that weight), and it would be too complicated/expensive to make a frame. Anyone got any clue?
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditYeah, now the major dilemma is how the fuck do we manage to hang up the fucker?
Its too big to just use double-stick tape (it would almost certainly fail to hold up something of that weight), and it would be too complicated/expensive to make a frame. Anyone got any clue?
RPGPundit
A dowel along the top with holes drilled in the ends allowing a light weight nylon rope through. Tie off the ends to the dowel then drive a picture hanger hook or use a 3m detachable hook to hang it on the wall.
Bill
Pundit,
go to the home improvement store. Have the exact measurements ready.
Let them cut a plywood board to the size. Keep in mind that you will need some extra space for the hooks.
Then, put wallpaper paste on the plywood board. Distribute it very evenly. Put the map on the board, a second person should lend a hand. You have several minutes were you can adjust mistakes, and realign until satisfied.
Use drill with wall, wall plug with hole: Tada!
Hang it up just minutes after applying the wallpaper paste, that way gravity will flatten most irregularities.
Your map will now be basically indestructible.
Another option that is less risky would be to use styrofoam and regular glue. This is the way many libraries handle larger maps on the wall. The problem is the styrofoam-> it´s styrofoam and has all it´s traits.
Neither option is ideal, as a piece of paper this large always poses problems. The only safe answer would be expensive: Get it framed professionally on canvas.
beautiful
Nice! :) That map is HUGE, so it could be more practical to have it framed. That way, you need not worry about damaging it, and whenever you want to point something out on the map, you just use a laser pointer when the need arises.
Man, that print quality looks fantastic. Now that's a great gift!
You guys must play a lot of Pendragon, or have trouble looking at the regular map.
I kid, I kid.
I might do a map that big of an often-visited planet or subsector.
- Ed C.
For the record, it's a full-size (non-enlarged), print version of the official map.
It's printed on some kind of thick paper, though I'm not an expert. We wanted to laminate it with plastic, but the printing store said they didn't have the machinery for something THAT big. Mind you, they do blueprints for architects and engineers...
Quote from: JongWKFor the record, it's a full-size (non-enlarged), print version of the official map.
Where did the file come from?
That is an awesome gift.
Fantastic! I need a map that big of every game setting.
Quote from: joewolzWhere did the file come from?
That is an awesome gift.
Um, it was a jpeg of the Pendragon map (the map being the one that's in the book): I don't remember where the JPeg came from, possibly the Pendragon page or Stafford's page, or maybe someone sent it to me.
I'm just guessing that the cost of framing the fucker would vastly exceed the cost of the map itself. But I kind of like Settembrini's suggestion about plywood and paste. I'll think about that.
RPGPundit
Just be sure you can live with possible tears-if the paper gets too wet, it can tear.
But it also should tear in a way you can realign it to be basically invisible.
I´d suggest you try this with something disposable, like an FR map.
That way you´ll see the merits and dangers of this technique.
Or you get yourselves someone who´s a fiend with wallpaper, he might just need two minutes to slap it on.
The trouble with the plywood technique is that it's fucking heavy and awkward at that size, especially if you move every so often. Also, you'll want good quality ply or chipboard, and that's not cheap around here (dunno about Uruguay). Finally, it's permanent.
I'd go a simple frame for something that large. Back it with acid-free card and it should last for decades. Maybe perspex instead of glass, if the framers can do it. You can always rip it out and do something else if you change your mind.
Pearls before swines... It's a glorious map, John.
Foamcore is your friend, though it can make the map a little fragile.
Bill's suggestion of dowels isn't half bad, either. Check into a framing shop -- sometimes you can find dowels that are made specifically for hanging posters. They basically clamp over either end, reinforcing the top for hanging and weighting the bottom so it hangs smoothly. My wife has a couple that she uses for hanging posters at exhibitions. Toward this end, the notion of printing it on fabric might be a good one.
!i!
Well there is these plastic strips (http://www.edugraphics.net/gz-mounts/gz220.htm). I think you just mount them then slide the top edge of the poster through it. It holds onto that top edge. I think you should be able to nail/screw the plastic strip in without to much trouble. Maybe even do a bottom edge to help support the weight...
Not that I've done this, just trying to help with what little google fu I poses.
edit: If'n I was you, I'd frame it.
That's cool, but I'm not sure where the hell I'd get something like that here.
RPGPundit
Oh, they have their problems too!
If there´s any wind, even from sternly walking by, this can damage a map thusly emplaced.
Quote from: RPGPunditUm, it was a jpeg of the Pendragon map (the map being the one that's in the book): I don't remember where the JPeg came from, possibly the Pendragon page or Stafford's page, or maybe someone sent it to me.
It's from the Pendragon website (http://www.white-wolf.com/downloads.php?category_id=30). The file is 5.67 megabytes.
Now that's impressive. Maybe a bit clumsy to use except as a wall hanging, but damn is it great. :D
Myself, I got a new tie, socks and a chockolate cigar, those kind of things.
This Pendragon map is fucking brilliant!
In the same style, for 12th-century England, the map included in Lionheart, the systemless RPG sourcebook, was quite good as well.
Quote from: SettembriniPundit,
go to the home improvement store. Have the exact measurements ready.
Let them cut a plywood board to the size. Keep in mind that you will need some extra space for the hooks.
Then, put wallpaper paste on the plywood board. Distribute it very evenly. Put the map on the board, a second person should lend a hand. You have several minutes were you can adjust mistakes, and realign until satisfied.
Use drill with wall, wall plug with hole: Tada!
Hang it up just minutes after applying the wallpaper paste, that way gravity will flatten most irregularities.
Your map will now be basically indestructible.
Particle board is much cheaper and just as sturdy (just keep it out of the elements. Cut the board about 1" longer than the map all the way around to then place the map dead center so you have a border. Then you can use the "empty" border space to drill/nail/whatever. You could also paint the border black before applying the map, which would frame it out nicely.
The map is awesome.
Pete
EDIT: You might even consider having it laminated. I would, to protect it from incidental tears or spills.
Quote from: pspahnEDIT: You might even consider having it laminated. I would, to protect it from incidental tears or spills.
The problem is we can't actually find a laminating machine in Uruguay that's big enough to laminate this map.
RPGPundit
@pspahn: I don´t know the difference between plywood and particle board.
I was talking about that kind of stuff:
(http://www.klaegerag.ch/rik-mz/grafiken/pappel.jpg)
Would that be plywood or particle board in english?
For a large map, you might take something around 4mm strong, birchwood is okay for that, and doesn´t bend so much.
That's plywood, Sett. (at least from the picture it appears to be so). See the layers of wood? Each of those is a "ply."
and it looks like cabinet grade stuff - little-to-no voids which makes it very good for cabinet making.
In general, particle board, depending on what Pete means, is generally heavier than plywood. That's because there's more glue in particle board than plywood.
But I might be misunderstanding, because Pete says to keep particle board out of the elements - and I've been under the impression that particle board is great for outdoor use because it's so stable and takes paint well (often used for signs as a result).
Sorry for the digression....
Okay, so I was right at calling it plywood.
I´m also not aware of particle board that would be under a centimeter strong.
Also this:
(http://www.holzhandel.de/img/upload/tipps/OSB_Platte.jpg)
could do the job.
When I´m thinking about particle board, I´m talking about this:
(http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50333644/Particle_Board.jpg)
That´s definitely heavier than plywood.
I´m a plywood person. It´s easy to work with, takes the wallpaper glue well feels good, looks good and is pretty light.
Yup, and actually, the first picture you provide is called OSB - Oriented Strand Board. It's usually used as the flooring base and/or roofing material. It's good for this as while strong and cheap, it's rough and nothing to look at, so it's used under things.
And yeah, the other ones are what I'm talking about when I say particle board.
I'm a plywood guy myself - and a nice thin but not cabinet grade would work fine for the map. So would, in all honesty, jut about any thin board would work. The advantage of at least a couple of plys is that it won't warp...or will at least resist it...
Okay, my mistake. Apparently one of the things we call "particle board" where I live is actually called oriented strand board.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rd.com/images/tfhimport/2002/Feb02_Which_Should_I_Buy/20020201_Which_Should_I_Buy_page003img001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rd.com/familyhandyman/content/19557/&h=299&w=377&sz=20&tbnid=MA1bjwWyD1RgZM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doriented%2Bstrand%2Bboard%26um%3D1&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2
http://www.gp.com/BUILD/productgroup.aspx?pid=5843
This is not the cabinet grade stuff, but is used in flooring and roofing. It's rougher than 1/4" plywood, but cheaper and lighter. I just built a little play area for my daughter and used OSB (and shingles) to roof the tree fort (about $6 as opposed to $11).
Pete
EDIT: What James said. :)
Quote from: HinterWeltA dowel along the top with holes drilled in the ends allowing a light weight nylon rope through. Tie off the ends to the dowel then drive a picture hanger hook or use a 3m detachable hook to hang it on the wall.
Bill
I like that one best since it'd add to the anachronistic feel... uh... sorta.
-=Grim=-