Quote from: Mr_X;1144256If anything book burning is an understatement. The unaltered version has been made completely unavailable

You mean because it's an OLD OUT OF PRINT BOOK?

For fucks sake. Are you people just plain idiots? Books going out of print because they are unpopular is not "book burning". It's exactly as available as it always was before PDFs of it were newly released. You can buy it used just like always. You were never entitled to new copies being made available.

Quote from: EOTB;1144257Outside of antiquity, where there were so few copies of a book that accidental burning, or burning as collateral damage in a general conquest, could cause a work to be lost forever to everyone - has any book burning in our era ever done more than remove a few copies while leaving the work largely available?  I.e., symbolic?  What was the real damage from actual book burning?

Note - I don't support book burning.  I'm trying to figure out what the real damage that book burning did that was so different and also not symbolic.

Yes, during WW2 thousands and thousands of the same small number of volumes were burned, with threat to life if a copy were found or transferred. It made it so the book was genuinely not available even if it was in demand.

What book did we lose in WW2?  Because "locally unavailable and threats if contraband is kept" doesn't rely on print.  That can easily apply to PDF as well.

If you think the left isn't willing to destroy books just to make a point, think again.

Mistwell, before you keep bitching about 'hyperbole', please check that link.

Disclaimers are one thing. Warner Brothers slapped disclaimers on some of their cartoon collections. Fair enough.

Alteration or destruction is another matter entirely.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144289If you think the left isn't willing to destroy books just to make a point, think again.

Mistwell, before you keep bitching about 'hyperbole', please check that link.

Disclaimers are one thing. Warner Brothers slapped disclaimers on some of their cartoon collections. Fair enough.

Alteration or destruction is another matter entirely.

That article is talking about someone buying books up, sequestering them, and then choosing to destroy them. The key is that the person doing the destroying isn't "coming for" anything--these are books that are owned by the book destroyer after having been legally purchased. Last I heard, with very few exceptions, people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own personal property. If they want to do that as a virtue signal, fine, whatever. They still aren't coming for my books, or yours.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144292That article is talking about someone buying books up, sequestering them, and then choosing to destroy them. The key is that the person doing the destroying isn't "coming for" anything--these are books that are owned by the book destroyer after having been legally purchased. Last I heard, with very few exceptions, people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own personal property. If they want to do that as a virtue signal, fine, whatever. They still aren't coming for my books, or yours.

So much for 'ignoring' me. LOL.

And the mindset of someone who thinks it's acceptable to buy books on sale and destroy them out of ideological reasons is not one I would trust to make fine distinctions about concepts like 'property'.

Quote from: Brad;1144060I like the replies to my question about the spell name change. Who the fuck is Jerry N? Is that one of the retard progressives who posts on this board? Surely it's not Jerry Nadler...

" I think it's pretty informative. The fact that you, on The RPG Site forum, said you have no intention to play the game, even before this change (I have screenshots I can link, if that helps) I think helps people to decide what your real motive is here. Unlike you, I play T&T. I teach it to new gamers, some of whom are young. Now, thanks to Flying Buffalo, I no longer have to have to worry about how to handle the issue of outdated racist language. Good move on their part, and this is coming from and actual player and enthusiast, not someone who gets upset when they can't tell racist jokes because FREEZE PEACH or some similar excuse. "

So which one of you faggots is this? This is getting very close to doxxing...and if you want to know where I live, send me a PM and I'll be happy to tell you. Stop by for some fun!

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144292That article is talking about someone buying books up, sequestering them, and then choosing to destroy them. The key is that the person doing the destroying isn't "coming for" anything--these are books that are owned by the book destroyer after having been legally purchased. Last I heard, with very few exceptions, people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own personal property. If they want to do that as a virtue signal, fine, whatever. They still aren't coming for my books, or yours.

I agree. Book burnings aren't book burnings if the people doing the book burning--with the explicit intent of taking them out of circulation and preventing their acquisition by anyone else--pays for them first. Because the key is that [insert imaginary goalpost that doesn't refute anything and is completely besides the point].

Why are you guys against capitalism and property rights? :rolleyes:

Quote from: VisionStorm;1144325I agree. Book burnings aren't book burnings if the people doing the book burning--with the explicit intent of taking them out of circulation and preventing their acquisition by anyone else--pays for them first. Because the key is that [insert imaginary goalpost that doesn't refute anything and is completely besides the point].

Why are you guys against capitalism and property rights? :rolleyes:

The key is that nobody's coming to take somebody else's stuff. What they do with their own stuff is their own business, even if they want to make what they're doing with it public knowledge for signaling. It still has zero effect on other people's shit.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144328The key is that nobody's coming to take somebody else's stuff.

The key is that no one is claiming that they are (other than you and maybe Mistwell) and attempts at censorship and control of information don't stop being attempts at censorship and control of information simply because they haven't specifically broken into your house yet to take your copies at gun point.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144328What they do with their own stuff is their own business, even if they want to make what they're doing with it public knowledge for signaling. It still has zero effect on other people's shit.

What they do to change or control the world around them is everyone's business and the fact that they paid for it or that I presumably still have mine (assuming I bought it in time or that it doesn't suffer any damage that may necessitate a replacement) doesn't mean that their actions don't have an impact on the world around them. It just means that the extent of the damage they might make hasn't reached some imaginary threshold you've invented.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144328The key is that nobody's coming to take somebody else's stuff. What they do with their own stuff is their own business, even if they want to make what they're doing with it public knowledge for signaling. It still has zero effect on other people's shit.

"But Muh Private Company!"

The same "argument" used to justify deplatforming of those on the right of Mao, or those who speak certain kind of bullshit somehow worst than the anti-vaxers or the Flat-Earthers.

Now being used to justify censorship on the TTRPG hobby and others, guess soon we'll see you arguing the same to justify racial/sexual discrimination/segregation on hiring, assigning who can write/draw what, etc.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1144331"But Muh Private Company!"

The same "argument" used to justify deplatforming of those on the right of Mao, or those who speak certain kind of bullshit somehow worst than the anti-vaxers or the Flat-Earthers.

Now being used to justify censorship on the TTRPG hobby and others, guess soon we'll see you arguing the same to justify racial/sexual discrimination/segregation on hiring, assigning who can write/draw what, etc.

Every day you impress me with your ability to leap ever-higher into the clouds of crazyville. You're a nutter, but keep on shining for the world to see.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144336Every day you impress me with your ability to leap ever-higher into the clouds of crazyville. You're a nutter, but keep on shining for the world to see.

This is what mental illness looks like...

Quote from: Brad;1144339This is what mental illness looks like...

B-rad, I'm not the one that was so desperately trying to put my adress out in PMs on another thread. You really are a lonely, lonely boy aren't you?

We at the point in the thread where everything has been discussed and we just go over our assertations in the hope that God Almighty puts a rubber stamp of approval on them?