You might want to drop this discussion and open a thread in Pundit's forum, and keep it to gaming or politics in gaming. I would hate to see you both banned.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1143036You might want to drop this discussion and open a thread in Pundit's forum, and keep it to gaming or politics in gaming. I would hate to see you both banned.

Yeah, I'm not really clear on the ban rules. I was trying to keep this in the context of WoTC's actions, but there seems to be a desire to push this topic into religious territories, which is somewhat surprising to me. I'll gladly open a new topic if there is any interest.

Quote from: Kael;1143038Yeah, i'm not really clear on the ban rules. I was trying to keep this in the context of WoTC's actions, but there seems to be a desire to push this topic into religious territories, which is somewhat surprising to me. I'll gladly open a new topic if there is any interest.

Open it in pundit's forum if it's for religious discussion, I'm tired of those so I won't participate, unless it gets interesting.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1143041Open it in pundit's forum if it's for religious discussion, I'm tired of those so I won't participate, unless it gets interesting.

I absolutely (lol) do not want to start a religious discussion. They hold little to no value for me, since my own views are personal (and subjective) and I don't care what anybody else thinks or how they interpret what they read. Philosophy and Law, OTOH, I find interesting, to a point. If someone wants to argue for moral absolutism without invoking religion, I'm all ears.

Quote from: Kael;1143011Not surprised. At least we are having a good time repeating ourselves. So again, explain to me the nonreligious reasons why morals/ethics are absolute. I'm sure we'd all love to hear your thoughts since you seem to have such a strong opinion on the matter.

Otherwise, it's fine to admit that you lack intelligence. We all already know it based on your own empty, clownish replies.

Uh huh...exactly

Quote from: Brad;1143056Uh huh...exactly

Glad you agree.

Quote from: Kael;1143060Glad you agree.

I agree you're wrong as fuck, but I'd rather not get banned and go into the whole argument why that's the case because it's 100% irrelevant to gaming.

Quote from: Brad;1143079I'd rather not get banned and go into the whole argument why that's the case because it's 100% irrelevant to gaming.

Many of your posts in this thread have already been 100% irrelevant to gaming. Why stop now? Oh wait, because you are "wrong as fuck."

Looks like HappyDaze has an alt?

Anyway, if anyone is curious, I asked, "Is there any reason this PDF was edited to remove the Yassa-Massa spell?," on July 27th on the T&T 1st reprint product page at Drivethrurpg. No response yet, I am not holding my breath about it, either.

Quote from: Brad;1143098Looks like HappyDaze has an alt?

Anyway, if anyone is curious, I asked, "Is there any reason this PDF was edited to remove the Yassa-Massa spell?," on July 27th on the T&T 1st reprint product page at Drivethrurpg. No response yet, I am not holding my breath about it, either.

It was changed because the creator of the game is (or at least was) in an absolute panic that the SJWs would condemn his game. I was at a chat interview where he preemptively made sure all of us knew, although none of whom had brought it up, that his game couldn't be racist because he never used the term "race" and made other signals of surrender, although he had never, to my knowledge, been attacked.

The issue isn't that the spell name was changed, the issue is that there is no record or indication it was changed.

Edit to add they even used a font to make the new spell name look like it was always there.

Quote from: sharps54;1143323The issue isn't that the spell name was changed, the issue is that there is no record or indication it was changed.

Edit to add they even used a font to make the new spell name look like it was always there.

Yeah at least Lucas labeled his movies the 'special edition' even if you don't want to call attention to what you changed, you should put a version 1.1 or a 2.0 or just change the fucking print date...something.

No record of changes...
Looks like the change was always there...

Wow. How 1984.

Yet another reason why you can't trust electronic documents to be authentic.

Now extend that to the all-digital classroom. Orwell warned us! "He who controls the past, controls the present."

If you want the protect the past, you MUST have physical media.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1142749Our books will be fine. You don't know the power of the Old School side!

First, thank you for the GREAT music link! The Imperial March on medieval instruments was awesome!! And the plate armor & sword Vader image is very cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRHbGjW-J8

The issue at hand isn't that our physical books are in danger of being taken, or changed.

The censorship being imposed is much more subtle, but eventually equally draconian.

WotC has declared your books contain various dangerous -ists that offend the SJW ideology.
Everyone knows -ists are EVIL.
Thus, what is a person who owns EVIL books? Or worse, plays the EVIL games?

The slippery slope has been greased. Thus, how long until the disclaimer is not enough?

As you see from the Tunnels & Trolls self-censorship, the author (a retired librarian) panicked and changed his own work to hide his past "sins" from the torch wielding goodthinkers.

Nobody forced him. He knelled preemptively hoping to avoid their wrath.

THAT is the real power of censorship in action.

And watch how the self-censorship affects what new games and settings are created. How many game designers will NOT use the woke checklist before turning in their drafts?

My guess? Very few.

You guys don't understand, that's just the free market at work! When people scurry to hastily make changes to their products (as is their inalienable right!) in the hopes of staving off an angry, slanderous mob, ready to take their business down, that's just the Invisible Hand stepping in to set the market straight! Why do you hate capitalism?