Quote from: jhkim;1142416Absolutely. I posted my criticism of the podcast a few hundred posts back.

But calling it censorship and comparing it to a death sentence on an author is histrionics.

Sometimes you have to meet absurdity with absurdity.

And I consider this whole situation with WOTC slapping disclaimers on their old products pretty absurd.

Quote from: Shasarak;1142420Hasbro changing the IP that they bought off a company that bought the IP is like taking your painting to be restored:

Ha! It's like playing the corporate version of a game of telephone. Sadly, Gygax and Co. cashed in so whaddya gonna do?

Decisions were made!!

Quote from: jhkim;1142412I generally agree with Kael. I don't think companies are currently complying with woke mobs because of threat of violence - they're complying to make more money, which is just the free market in action. For example, Disney had a right to stop selling "Song of the South". They didn't take it off the market because of death threats or other violence - they did it because it was bad for their company image and would cost them sales. That's not censorship. My one caveat is that I think Song of the South should still be available in some form, but that's an issue with copyright law. After 75 years, it should be in the public domain.

To the extent that people engage in violence like shooting sprees, arson, death threats, swatting, doxxing, and libel -- then those who do such should be arrested and prosecuted.

But that doesn't mean that people don't have the free speech right to post criticism of Oriental Adventures, for example.

This is just a flimsy distinction to sidestep the fact that changes are still being made as a result of pressure from a mob to serve a political agenda, but since that mob hasn't technically engaged in violence (on this particular sector) everything is A-OK, and this is just the "free market" at work forcing a company's hand through technically legal soft coercion. So any counters to that soft coercion must apparently be against that "free market" somehow.

And while I might currently be a political orphan, I've never been a right-libertarian (but rather the polar opposite), so appeals to the sacred rights parasitic corporations living off the IPs they acquired from the actual creators don't really work on me. That soulless corporations are siding with the historical revisionist mob only reinforces my dislike and perception of them as part of the problem.

Quote from: jhkim;1142416Absolutely. I posted my criticism of the podcast a few hundred posts back.

But calling it censorship and comparing it to a death sentence on an author is histrionics.

Then maybe HappyDaze shouldn't have brought up said author in the context of pretending that there isn't a problem.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1142430This is just a flimsy distinction to sidestep the fact that changes are still being made as a result of pressure from a mob to serve a political agenda, but since that mob hasn't technically engaged in violence (on this particular sector) everything is A-OK, and this is just the "free market" at work forcing a company's hand through technically legal soft coercion. So any counters to that soft coercion must apparently be against that "free market" somehow.

And while I might currently be a political orphan, I've never been a right-libertarian (but rather the polar opposite), so appeals to the sacred rights parasitic corporations living off the IPs they acquired from the actual creators don't really work on me. That soulless corporations are siding with the historical revisionist mob only reinforces my dislike and perception of them as part of the problem.



Then maybe HappyDaze shouldn't have brought up said author in the context of pretending that there isn't a problem.

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen. But, you ARE aware this is this thing called Tv, right?

The megacorp is doing what the megacorp does: making money for its shareholders. They don't give a fuck. Attributing some allegiance to a historical revisionist mob to them, in any context other than "this will help us make more money" is dumb.

"The mob hasn't technically engaged in violence." You mean, they haven't engaged in violence, of course? By engaging in debate and doing what we do in a democracy? Where "technically legal soft coercion" is defined as "I won't buy your shit and will tell other people why."

Fucking christ dude, dude tithe your fucking paycheck to the Teh Hasborg and get on with your fucking life. They clearly have a right to your money.

Or, did you mean to actually post something coherent?

Quote from: Kael;1142429Ha! It's like playing the corporate version of a game of telephone. Sadly, Gygax and Co. cashed in so whaddya gonna do?

Decisions were made!!

Whaddya gonna do?

What I do best, complain on the Internet!

Bah, the thing that I dont like should have been the thing that I do like!

Quote from: bryce0lynch;1142436Or, did you mean to actually post something coherent?

Funny you should ask, because your inane rambling barely even registered as english. I'm having a hard time discerning an actual point or message anywhere within it, much less an actual argument for me to refute. It's like someone used a random word generator.

My father grew up behind the Iron Curtain and he said self-censorship was far more powerful than government censorship. Fear did the gov't work for them. The black marketeers hid more from fellow citizens than from police because police were easy to pay off, whereas reports by "concerned citizens" had to be acted upon.

The problem with educating people about how far long the road we are to Fahrenheit 451, 1984 and Brave New World is these books/movies focus on the dystopian endgame, so it's easy to laugh when comparing where we are on the road. Obviously, we're nowhere near the endgame. We've been trotting down the road for some time, and jogging these days, but the endgame is still on the horizon, thus easy to ignore.

Quote from: lordmalachdrim;1142324Since it is not acknowledged that those books are "problematic" and you admit to owning them is proof you are in fact a white supremacist.

There's no law that says you can't collect Little Black Sambo memorabilia.

Good luck showing off your collection at the office.

Quote from: LiferGamer;1142352How many creatives are going to self-censor going forward?

All of them?

It's akin to asking, how many athletes are going to stand for the anthem when their team kneels?
My next question would be, what will their career be next season?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142413Can we try to make our voices heard at WOTC that we don't agree, and are unhappy with the direction they are taking with the disclaimers?

Don't complain to the Devil about evil.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1142439Funny you should ask, because your inane rambling barely even registered as english. I'm having a hard time discerning an actual point or message anywhere within it, much less an actual argument for me to refute. It's like someone used a random word generator.

Ad hominem attack; fallacy of irrelevancy.

Try again.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1142440Don't complain to the Devil about evil.

True. I just hope that we can fight fire with fire somehow.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142443True. I just hope that we can fight fire with fire somehow.

D&D has been dethroned twice. First by goth dweebs, second by a retroclone with nice art (and lots of boobies).

No reason the third time can't be the charm.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;1142436The megacorp is doing what the megacorp does: making money for its shareholders. They don't give a fuck. Attributing some allegiance to a historical revisionist mob to them, in any context other than "this will help us make more money" is dumb.

Maybe the megacorp should make money for its shareholders then.  That is, after all, what megacorps should do.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;1142442Ad hominem attack; fallacy of irrelevancy.

Try again.

>Makes a rambling, incomprehensible post with zero discernible arguments attacking me right out of the gate
>Brings up "aD hOmInEm AtTaCks" and a completely irrelevant "fAlLaCy Of IrReLeVaNcY" when I point it out

Whatever, mongoloid.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1142448D&D has been dethroned twice. First by goth dweebs, second by a retroclone with nice art (and lots of boobies).

No reason the third time can't be the charm.

Which retroclone had lot of boobies? Asking for a friend.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1142440The problem with educating people about how far long the road we are to Fahrenheit 451, 1984 and Brave New World is these books/movies focus on the dystopian endgame, so it's easy to laugh when comparing where we are on the road. Obviously, we're nowhere near the endgame. We've been trotting down the road for some time, and jogging these days, but the endgame is still on the horizon, thus easy to ignore.
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I don't think the endgame is some kind of dystopian state apparatus.  I think it's more something like the madness of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Quote from: Kael;1142365I'm pro-freedom. I support the rights of property owners to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their own property in a free and capitalistic, market-based society. If Hasbro wants to burn, censor, or stop selling their own products, so be it, they should have the freedom to do so.

If Hasbro wants to let internet mobs decide what's best for them, that's their choice. Mob A wants their books censored, tagged, or removed. Mob B wants their books left alone. Hasbro will side with the Mob that gives them the most money or they will perish.

Except this isnt a company doing whatever with their own product. This is a company saying that all the product they acquired from a previous company is at fault. Whats next? Heroscape is racist because it has samurai?