Quote from: LiferGamer;1142352I don't know what I like better; you deciding to poke fun at the Hyperbole 50+ pages, derailing the discussion on whether this book in particular is any good, or you being ok with censorship going forward 'because I got mine, fuck the new guy.'

There's always someone who will stick their head in the sand and tell everyone they're worrying over nothing.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142395There's always someone who will stick their head in the sand and tell everyone they're worrying over nothing.

And here there all always plenty of alarmists that flip their shit everytime somebody says something negative about evolving views of their precious games. The vast majority of the world doesnt give a fuck, and hyper-tribalism among gamers is actually pretty hilarious to me, especially when we literally get Nazi book burning comparisons. So, I'll be laughing my ass off at you while you batter your face in the nutter butter that so many here want to push as reality.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142320I just did.
WOTC has branded all their old product as "problematic". Did you not get the memo? WOTC has agreed that any product pre-5th edition is in that category, including existing copies out in the wild.

Of course that's not what happened. But what do you care, as you were not buying anything from WOTC anyway. To you, the note on the PDFs is an opportunity for you to spread your diatribes.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142395There's always someone who will stick their head in the sand and tell everyone they're worrying over nothing.

You are hysterical. Calm down. The world is not burning because some PDFs that you were never considering buying to begin with got a minor note saying they're a product of their time. Particularly given this is a thread which claimed "they're coming for your books" and which results in...zero books being pulled.

Here is the warning again:

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end."

But you ahead and pretend to panic about a product which you never bought or intended to buy getting a generic note slapped on PDF downloads almost nobody was buying which says some unspecified books reflect values the current company does not reflect anymore. Run around screaming they're coming for your books and compare it to Nazi book burnings and a Maoist revolution. I am sure you will be very persuasive to those who are not already thinking like you, right?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142401And here there all always plenty of alarmists that flip their shit everytime somebody says something negative about evolving views of their precious games. The vast majority of the world doesnt give a fuck, and hyper-tribalism among gamers is actually pretty hilarious to me, especially when we literally get Nazi book burning comparisons. So, I'll be laughing my ass off at you while you batter your face in the nutter butter that so many here want to push as reality.

And I'm bemused that you willfully dismiss all the dumb shit going on. I guess we're all just havin' a great old time laughing at each other.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142403You are hysterical. Calm down.

I'm fine, man. Just arguin' on the internet. Don't take it so seriously that you lose your cool.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142407I'm fine, man. Just arguin' on the internet. Don't take it so seriously that you lose your cool.

Oh OK, so we should take all these histrionics with a grain of salt? Fair enough. It's how I look at the Pundit's posts too.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142402Of course that's not what happened. But what do you care, as you were not buying anything from WOTC anyway. To you, the note on the PDFs is an opportunity for you to spread your diatribes.

I have bought plenty of legacy TSR PDFs to replace books I've lost over the years.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142408Oh OK, so we should take all these histrionics with a grain of salt? Fair enough. It's how I look at the Pundit's posts too.

And yours. Hell, I take everyone's posts with that grain of salt. Doesn't mean they don't have a point, though.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142410And yours. Hell, I take everyone's posts with that grain of salt. Doesn't mean they don't have a point, though.

Agreed

Quote from: VisionStorm;1142354I agree. No one has shown up at your parents house to confiscate their Satanic Verses, therefore there's zero problem with Salman Rushdie getting death threats and having to live under police protection after a fatwa was declared on him, or his book being banned in several Muslim countries. After all, your parents still have their book so who gives a fuck about actual banning and credible death threats having a man run for his life for years.

Quote from: Kael;1142365I'm pro-freedom. I support the rights of property owners to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their own property in a free and capitalistic, market-based society. If Hasbro wants to burn, censor, or stop selling their own products, so be it, they should have the freedom to do so.

If Hasbro wants to let internet mobs decide what's best for them, that's their choice. Mob A wants their books censored, tagged, or removed. Mob B wants their books left alone. Hasbro will side with the Mob that gives them the most money or they will perish.

I generally agree with Kael. I don't think companies are currently complying with woke mobs because of threat of violence - they're complying to make more money, which is just the free market in action. For example, Disney had a right to stop selling "Song of the South". They didn't take it off the market because of death threats or other violence - they did it because it was bad for their company image and would cost them sales. That's not censorship. My one caveat is that I think Song of the South should still be available in some form, but that's an issue with copyright law. After 75 years, it should be in the public domain.

To the extent that people engage in violence like shooting sprees, arson, death threats, swatting, doxxing, and libel -- then those who do such should be arrested and prosecuted.

But that doesn't mean that people don't have the free speech right to post criticism of Oriental Adventures, for example.

Quote from: jhkim;1142412But that doesn't mean that people don't have the free speech right to post criticism of Oriental Adventures, for example.

Can we be critical of the criticism? Can we try to make our voices heard at WOTC that we don't agree, and are unhappy with the direction they are taking with the disclaimers?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142413Can we be critical of the criticism? Can we try to make our voices heard at WOTC that we don't agree, and are unhappy with the direction they are taking with the disclaimers?

Absolutely. I posted my criticism of the podcast a few hundred posts back.

But calling it censorship and comparing it to a death sentence on an author is histrionics.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142413Can we be critical of the criticism?

Lol. Complaining about complainers is how the news cycle remains endless (RPG news or otherwise.) The snake can eat its tail forever, as they say, while taking your money in the process. Win win!!

Quote from: Kael;1142365I'm pro-freedom. I support the rights of property owners to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their own property in a free and capitalistic, market-based society. If Hasbro wants to burn, censor, or stop selling their own products, so be it, they should have the freedom to do so.

If Hasbro wants to let internet mobs decide what's best for them, that's their choice. Mob A wants their books censored, tagged, or removed. Mob B wants their books left alone. Hasbro will side with the Mob that gives them the most money or they will perish.

Hasbro changing the IP that they bought off a company that bought the IP is like taking your painting to be restored:

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