Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142320I just did.
WOTC has branded all their old product as "problematic". Did you not get the memo? WOTC has agreed that any product pre-5th edition is in that category, including existing copies out in the wild.

Strange, none of my books have any new special warnings attached. No signs of they breaking in and putting such labels on my books. You are full of shit.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142321Strange, none of my books have any new special warnings attached. No signs of they breaking in and putting such labels on my books. You are full of shit.

Quoting you again, with the underline I inserted. Let's put a bold on it for extra emphasis.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142285For those that don't get it, NO ONE is coming for your old books. Nobody cares about what you already own. However, if you are thinking of buying something that the asshat brigade finds objectionable, you might want to do so before it gets woke-washed.

I have shown you that people do indeed care about what we already own. They started with Oriental Adventures, a 1st Edition sourcebook. That's a book people already own. They progressed to every book pre-5th edition. Those are books people already own.

And again, the they are the social justice nitwits on the podcast. This isn't some ephemeral "they".

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142321Strange, none of my books have any new special warnings attached. No signs of they breaking in and putting such labels on my books. You are full of shit.

I believe his line of reasoning is along the following lines:
Since it is not acknowledged that those books are "problematic" and you admit to owning them is proof you are in fact a white supremacist. They might now come to take the books from you if you have them they will use it against you down the road, as such you will get rid of them to avoid being attacked. This is not really any different then if they just came to take the books away from you.

Quote from: lordmalachdrim;1142324I believe his line of reasoning is along the following lines:
Since it is not acknowledged that those books are "problematic" and you admit to owning them is proof you are in fact a white supremacist. They might now come to take the books from you if you have them they will use it against you down the road, as such you will get rid of them to avoid being attacked. This is not really any different then if they just came to take the books away from you.

I think Happydaze is just being willfully obtuse -- disingenuous.

It's obvious what is being said here.

Quote from: lordmalachdrim;1142324I believe his line of reasoning is along the following lines:
Since it is not acknowledged that those books are "problematic" and you admit to owning them is proof you are in fact a white supremacist. They might now come to take the books from you if you have them they will use it against you down the road, as such you will get rid of them to avoid being attacked. This is not really any different then if they just came to take the books away from you.

Pretty much. I think the labeling concessions were actually more valuable in the long run than if online shops had simply pulled OA. I don't think someone is going to come around collecting problematic material. I think people are going to be bullied into giving them up. A few holdouts will tell them to piss off, but a lot of people will comply out of the hope that the woke mob won't have a reason to go after them.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142326Pretty much. I think the labeling concessions were actually more valuable in the long run than if online shops had simply pulled OA. I don't think someone is going to come around collecting problematic material. I think people are going to be bullied into giving them up. A few holdouts will tell them to piss off, but a lot of people will comply out of the hope that the woke mob won't have a reason to go after them.

"Hey guys, got triggggggered today because our DM showed up with an old copy of Oriental Adventures (I feel dirty even typing that out). I've heard that anyone who still owns a copy of this problematic book is just signaling their white supremacist views. I thought the DM was cool, but it looks like I'm going to have to drop out of the campaign. What else should I do? Report him for possibly being in the KKK?"

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1142256Just an FYI, I just got those Premium POD versions of the D&D 1e PH, DMG, MM, UA delivered.
They really look awesome (the Premium was worth it) and NO new disclaimers or warnings added.
They look true to the originals from cursory check.
Very happy about that.
Who knows for how long but if you're looking to stock up before WOtC gets pressured to do more than just a disclaimer on the website, it's all good.

(edit)  Here's a pic of them.  They're full size prints.  I have a tissue box and a pint glass for scale.  Heh
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Yeah, I got these a bonus from WoTC for my Consulting work when they first came out.

Quote from: RandyB;1142268I got mine today, too, less UA. Haven't given them a close check yet.

I own the Core 3 books, but not UA.

Quote from: Brad;1142328"Hey guys, got triggggggered today because our DM showed up with an old copy of Oriental Adventures (I feel dirty even typing that out). I've heard that anyone who still owns a copy of this problematic book is just signaling their white supremacist views. I thought the DM was cool, but it looks like I'm going to have to drop out of the campaign. What else should I do? Report him for possibly being in the KKK?"

My parents have a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses on their bookshelf, and it's been there over 30 years. They've never had any fear that they were coming, even when Muslim guests have been over. I think everyone with older D&D books is quite safe and the hyperbole in this thread is just absurd. But, nutters will be nutters.

Quote from: Razor 007;1142340I own the Core 3 books, but not UA.

I opted not to get UA. I don't have a massive hate-on for it. I don't have enough interest in it to buy a copy.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142341My parents have a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses on their bookshelf, and it's been there over 30 years. They've never had any fear that they were coming, even when Muslim guests have been over. I think everyone with older D&D books is quite safe and the hyperbole in this thread is just absurd. But, nutters will be nutters.

I don't know what I like better; you deciding to poke fun at the Hyperbole 50+ pages, derailing the discussion on whether this book in particular is any good, or you being ok with censorship going forward 'because I got mine, fuck the new guy.'

I won't pretend to speak for anyone else; my beef with this is A) the company's implication that old product = wrongthink therefore bad and B) the slippery slope of future censorship.  

How many creatives are going to self-censor going forward?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142341My parents have a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses on their bookshelf, and it's been there over 30 years. They've never had any fear that they were coming, even when Muslim guests have been over. I think everyone with older D&D books is quite safe and the hyperbole in this thread is just absurd. But, nutters will be nutters.

I agree. No one has shown up at your parents house to confiscate their Satanic Verses, therefore there's zero problem with Salman Rushdie getting death threats and having to live under police protection after a fatwa was declared on him, or his book being banned in several Muslim countries. After all, your parents still have their book so who gives a fuck about actual banning and credible death threats having a man run for his life for years. There's nothing to discuss there, cuz one couple living comfortably in the Western World still have their book, so WTF is the fuss all about, amirite?

And that's what your furious beating at this strawman for the past dozen or so pages has been about right? Pretending that there is no problem because something literally no has claimed has happened hasn't actually happened so far. And before you bring up the thread title, look up the meaning of the phrase "figure of speech" then bring me a quote from someone claiming in all earnest that their books were literally confiscated.

Otherwise carry on throwing a public tantrum cuz not enough people in this site buy into the scamdemic so you're trying to burn bridges as a result.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1142333Yeah, I got these a bonus from WoTC for my Consulting work when they first came out.

Nice. I think the initial run covers had actual imprinted physical texture to the designs.
These are flats but they get the job done.

Quote from: RandyB;1142350I opted not to get UA. I don't have a massive hate-on for it. I don't have enough interest in it to buy a copy.

Yea, I'm not a huge fan of UA but considering how errant DriveThru has been with having any of these available for POD at one time, figure get all the Gygax core books for posterity and to foist on unsuspecting players.

I'm pro-freedom. I support the rights of property owners to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their own property in a free and capitalistic, market-based society. If Hasbro wants to burn, censor, or stop selling their own products, so be it, they should have the freedom to do so.

If Hasbro wants to let internet mobs decide what's best for them, that's their choice. Mob A wants their books censored, tagged, or removed. Mob B wants their books left alone. Hasbro will side with the Mob that gives them the most money or they will perish.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1142354I agree. No one has shown up at your parents house to confiscate their Satanic Verses, therefore there's zero problem with Salman Rushdie getting death threats and having to live under police protection after a fatwa was declared on him, or his book being banned in several Muslim countries. After all, your parents still have their book so who gives a fuck about actual banning and credible death threats having a man run for his life for years. There's nothing to discuss there, cuz one couple living comfortably in the Western World still have their book, so WTF is the fuss all about, amirite?

And that's what your furious beating at this strawman for the past dozen or so pages has been about right? Pretending that there is no problem because something literally no has claimed has happened hasn't actually happened so far. And before you bring up the thread title, look up the meaning of the phrase "figure of speech" then bring me a quote from someone claiming in all earnest that their books were literally confiscated.

Otherwise carry on throwing a public tantrum cuz not enough people in this site buy into the scamdemic so you're trying to burn bridges as a result.

Says the dipshit fuckwit that wants people to buy into this nothingburger scam. Enjoy the sweet taste of your paranoia.