Just an FYI, I just got those Premium POD versions of the D&D 1e PH, DMG, MM, UA delivered.
They really look awesome (the Premium was worth it) and NO new disclaimers or warnings added.
They look true to the originals from cursory check.
Very happy about that.
Who knows for how long but if you're looking to stock up before WOtC gets pressured to do more than just a disclaimer on the website, it's all good.

(edit)  Here's a pic of them.  They're full size prints.  I have a tissue box and a pint glass for scale.  Heh
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Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1142256Just an FYI, I just got those Premium POD versions of the D&D 1e PH, DMG, MM, UA delivered.
They really look awesome (the Premium was worth it) and NO new disclaimers or warnings added.
They look true to the originals from cursory check.
Very happy about that.
Who knows for how long but if you're looking to stock up before WOtC gets pressured to do more than just a disclaimer on the website, it's all good.

(edit)  Here's a pic of them.  They're full size prints.  I have a tissue box and a pint glass for scale.  Heh
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I got mine today, too, less UA. Haven't given them a close check yet.

Quote from: RandyB;1142268I got mine today, too, less UA. Haven't given them a close check yet.

Lookout! The messages fingerpainted in CS nutter-butter say that THEY will be there any minute now to take your books away...

Seriously though, those look great.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142270Lookout! The messages fingerpainted in CS nutter-butter say that THEY will be there any minute now to take your books away...

Someone is obsessed...

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142270Lookout! The messages fingerpainted in CS nutter-butter say that THEY will be there any minute now to take your books away...

Seriously though, those look great.

Candid shot of the DriveThru crew in action doing quality control:
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To be more serious, I'm more worried about the eventual social-panning of certain books than some scene from Fahrenheit 451.

For me, it's not so much having possession of the books but the social mis-hype machine skewing things so people judge the merit of the material before they even crack open the book.  No readers, no players.  Slowly, I feel a lot of great older work will just fall by the wayside as time goes on.  Some might take the time to enjoy it but it won't be the same as growing up with the stuff.

Possibly for younger players, it may be more difficult to dismiss the warnings as some bright light is going to parrot the disclaimer nonsense, for no other reason than they were told, leaving an awkward scenario when the intention was just to have a nice, friendly game.  Maybe I'm wrong, at least, I hope so.

One should not have to excuse the material and justify it just to play the game just because some spineless company decides it is so.

Quote from: Brad;1142280Someone is obsessed...

With the sheer inanity of the hyperbole that gets flung around? Perhaps. But if everyone is going to try to take seriously what THEY are (NOT) going to do, I might as well poke that shit with a stick. Besides Brad, you love being offensive yourself, so just relax and let it happen like the little bitch you really are.

For those that don't get it, NO ONE is coming for your old books. Nobody cares about what you already own. However, if you are thinking of buying something that the asshat brigade finds objectionable, you might want to do so before it gets woke-washed.

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1142284Candid shot of the DriveThru crew in action doing quality control:
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To be more serious, I'm more worried about the eventual social-panning of certain books than some scene from Fahrenheit 451.

For me, it's not so much having possession of the books but the social mis-hype machine skewing things so people judge the merit of the material before they even crack open the book.  No readers, no players.  Slowly, I feel a lot of great older work will just fall by the wayside as time goes on.  Some might take the time to enjoy it but it won't be the same as growing up with the stuff.

Possibly for younger players, it may be more difficult to dismiss the warnings as some bright light is going to parrot the disclaimer nonsense, for no other reason than they were told, leaving an awkward scenario when the intention was just to have a nice, friendly game.  Maybe I'm wrong, at least, I hope so.

One should not have to excuse the material and justify it just to play the game just because some spineless company decides it is so.

Something old already has an uphill battle against new things when talking about new/young players. It's fairly natural for products to fade except among their "old guard" players.

However, if it gets negative attention--especially of the "parental advisory" type--then it might actually be more appealing the edgy kids. At least, it used to be that way.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142285With the sheer inanity of the hyperbole that gets flung around? Perhaps. But if everyone is going to try to take seriously what THEY are (NOT) going to do, I might as well poke that shit with a stick. Besides Brad, you love being offensive yourself, so just relax and let it happen like the little bitch you really are.

For those that don't get it, NO ONE is coming for your old books. Nobody cares about what you already own. However, if you are thinking of buying something that the asshat brigade finds objectionable, you might want to do so before it gets woke-washed.

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Quote from: HappyDaze;1142287Something old already has an uphill battle against new things when talking about new/young players. It's fairly natural for products to fade except among their "old guard" players.

However, if it gets negative attention--especially of the "parental advisory" type--then it might actually be more appealing the edgy kids. At least, it used to be that way.

It's funny as in the last few months, I've seen more D&D 1e material being talked about on YT and other forums and seems to be gaining traction as a topic.  It's like the younger players are boring of the OD&D and Basic stuff and the whole "simple rules" thing and want to feel the confusion and pain of figuring out 1e.  Holds some strange fascination for them.

Either that or the usual YT RPG types have run out of things to say on the former material.  Maybe that fascination with the 'edgy' thing is happening and I'm just too clueless to see it.  Heh

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142285For those that don't get it, NO ONE is coming for your old books. Nobody cares about what you already own. However, if you are thinking of buying something that the asshat brigade finds objectionable, you might want to do so before it gets woke-washed.

Demonstrably bullshit.

They got WOTC to put the scarlett letter on all their old product. And if all those old games are for racist white supremacists, why would you want to keep them around?

Get how that works now? The brownshits don't have to come to your house. You will willingly give over your books eventually. It's only a matter of time, Winston.

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1142284I'm more worried about the eventual social-panning of certain books than some scene from Fahrenheit 451.

Have you read it recently?  It's pretty on the nose.

Quote from: 451"Now let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don't step on the toes of the dog-lovers, the cat-lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater. No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive. And the three-dimensional sex-magazines, of course. There you have it, Montag. It didn't come from the Government down. There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no! Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God."

Quote from: BradburyThere is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist/Unitarian, Irish/Italian/Octogenarian/Zen Buddhist, Zionist/Seventh-day Adventist, Women's Lib/Republican, Mattachine/Four Square Gospel feels it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse.

I do like Bradbury.
Is Beatty psychotic or a realist?  He revels in the flat plains of normalcy for the sake of society but...

"What do the books say, he wonders. Oh, to scratch that itch, eh? Well,
Montag, take my word for it, I've had to read a few in my time, to know
what I was about, and the books say nothing! Nothing you can teach or
believe. They're about non-existent people, figments of imagination, if
they're fiction. And if they're non-fiction, it's worse, one professor calling
another an idiot, one philosopher screaming down another's gullet. All of
them running about, putting out the stars and extinguishing the sun. You
come away lost."

Guess RPG's are on the hit list after all.  If it's social media on the other hand, have at it Firemen!  Heh
I was referring more to the running around burning books rather than the philosophy of the characters.

So, is Beatty represent the SJW endgame for society, with the ultimate backlash of attempting to satisfy all these special groups, ultimately realising that keeping everyone dumb, obedient and clueless is the only solution to keep everyone happy?
That is so unlike SJW groups who can't even figure out as a collective what they want to achieve.

I guess that makes us Montag, questioning it all and hiding our books, or perhaps Professor Faber, who will be lamenting and pining for the old days when this all comes to pass.

Look, Bradbury is fantastic and it's a great book, but I don't think we're quite there yet.
If I'm wrong, well then it was a good run at a normal functioning society.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142303Demonstrably bullshit.

They got WOTC to put the scarlett letter on all their old product. And if all those old games are for racist white supremacists, why would you want to keep them around?

Get how that works now? The brownshits don't have to come to your house. You will willingly give over your books eventually. It's only a matter of time, Winston.

Demonstrably? OK fucktard, show me the demonstration, because otherwise you're just full of shit.

In fact, I have some of those books on my shelf. When should I expect them to come? When should I 'willingly give them over' to them. Of course, if I choose to give them over, isn't that the freedom of choice that everyone here says is so important? Or is it only important when it's used to chose against them?

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1142297It's funny as in the last few months, I've seen more D&D 1e material being talked about on YT and other forums and seems to be gaining traction as a topic.  It's like the younger players are boring of the OD&D and Basic stuff and the whole "simple rules" thing and want to feel the confusion and pain of figuring out 1e.  Holds some strange fascination for them.

Either that or the usual YT RPG types have run out of things to say on the former material.  Maybe that fascination with the 'edgy' thing is happening and I'm just too clueless to see it.  Heh

I don't see it happening, but it would be hilarious if WotC sparked a strong interest in other games because of their own clueless behavior.  Then again, if they do, it would not be the first time.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142317Demonstrably? OK fucktard, show me the demonstration, because otherwise you're just full of shit.

I just did.
WOTC has branded all their old product as "problematic". Did you not get the memo? WOTC has agreed that any product pre-5th edition is in that category, including existing copies out in the wild.