Quote from: Anselyn;11371257th Sea?

Even Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay gave us some of that as the Old World was just Europe through a funhouse mirror.

*sigh* Just target their precious and apply the same rules to them. So check out their RPG darlings for badwrongthink (not hard at all) and throw them on the pyre as well. The mutual hostage crisis will lead to brinksmanship and detente or MAD between "Ctrl Left & Alt Right." Either way the world wins.

Love, the Del All

I am noticing more with SJWs and the regressive Left how often they defend the actions of censorship from their side. Yet when Conservatives and the regressive right do it then suddenly the same product being called to be cancelled and the author is a victim. When the other side does it "calm down, your overreacting, write your own" or whatever excuses they can dream up to cover the flaws of their side. Double standards and hypocrisy at it's finest.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1137111The rpg CJWs complain, the rpg SJWs complain, and in each case the answer is the same: if you don't like it, produce your own better product, and put it up for sale. .

I don't think you read the article. In this case, they don't want OA pulled simply because it's offensive, they want it pulled because WOTC is profiting off racism. Saying "produce your own better product" doesn't address the issue they have with OA.

https://twitter.com/danielhkwan/status/1277239086072422400

Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1137118But conservatives are complaining that a company shouldn't be able to do whatever they like with their own product.

I hope you can see the difference between a company producing a garbage woke product and a company taking a franchise that it didn't create (but does own) and changing it to be a woke product. I can't produce my own Star Wars movie nor can I make an official Dungeons & Dragons product. At that point, all anyone can do is mock and complain.

Doing the only thing their lack of parenting and childhood love allows them to do, continuously show the world how miserable human beings have no other purpose in life, other than destroy what others create. Keep the good old books alive!

Quote from: Arkansan;1137029Imagine my shock. What is it with SJW's and weird sex stuff?

I don't know. Their RPG works though will definitely be added to the bonfire of the vanities later though, when a new woke generation finds the current generation of sjw's corrupt.

Quote from: Lynn;1137039I can't say I was ever impressed with Oriental Adventures or many other RPG products that just jumbled together a mix of badly researched tropes from different parts of Asia. The Pathfinder "Asia" stuff is worse. I think a lot of them just copied off of each other and then just duplicated their references.

Agreed. Never liked the generic and vanilla intrepretation of oriental cultures portrayed with OE, and always clung to my Bushido.

Quote from: Dracones;1137100That was the Satanic Panic. This is the Racism Panic. Basically the same thing, just a different coat of paint. These sorts of mass hysteria, media driven events seem to come around every 30 years. So just to keep your expectations up, expect another one of these purity purges if you live that long.

More like every 20 years and for me this is crazy-go-round number 3.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1137042*frantically searches for old Oriental Adventurers hardbound...fails to find it*

"NOOOOOOO!!!" anakin-vader.mp3



I bet they're also fans of Monte Cook's Guide to BDSM, erm... I mean Consent in Gaming guide (written by a woman who's into BDSM).

Your really mean Nxivm though, right?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1137083Whatever happened with D&D being banned for Satan worship? Now it's being banned for not being gay enough.

...This is new. relevant link?

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137103It's still a fantasy world, seems fairly respectful of asian culture, it didn't portray asians as a bunch of idiots after all, it wasn't derogatory. As for being inaccurate, oriental adventures describes a fictional world, in order for it to be accurate, that fictional world would have to exist.

How would you like the idea of female samurai, would that be inaccurate?

Well that is the problem. It isnt respectul... enough. It isnt accurate... enough... No matter that its not meant to be a historical re-enactment. It MUST be culturally accurate! And if it is culturally accurate then if it was written by a white male then thats appropriation! And eventually its appropriation even if you are a lesbian trans female white. And so on as the purity tests broaden till even asians cant write about asians because they themselves are racist and we dont want any of that.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1137111I'm referring to other threads, where people are complaining that this or that writer was "cancelled", or their works pulled from some publisher's website. In those I responded that the best way to deal with that was to go ahead and publish anyway - never before in history has it been as easy to publish things as today. The CJWs responded only with whinging; anyone complaining today needs to look at the obstacles Gygax overcame to publish his first rpg. Hint: he had to do more than upload a pdf to a website for free.

The rpg CJWs complain, the rpg SJWs complain, and in each case the answer is the same: if you don't like it, produce your own better product, and put it up for sale.


The Funk gets it. He's a smart guy, that's why we used to game with him.

This is the attitude that allows these retards to get their way. I know you think you're morally superior for not allowing yourself to be bothered with such trivialities, but pretty soon they'll be dragging you out of your house and burning your copies of OA. It'll happen.

OA was serious power creep.  But, I have to LOL at people criticizing it because of poorly researched or bad tropes.  THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME OF D&D is bad research and tropes.   It is and was always based on a fantastic version of the middle ages.  I am 100 percent sure the "research" for OA was watching Black Belt theatre (With 5 deadly venoms and The kid with the golden arm central to that), all the episodes of Kung Fu, The mini series Shogun, 4-5 Kurasawa movies, and Enter the Ninja.  

   That was pretty obvious.  I never like the crazy power creep, and the binding on my book fell apart like they used elmer's glue to hold it together.  But even as a kid, I could CLEARLY see where the research came from as I had seen most of the media they got their "research" from.

Quote from: Warder;1137123Whats next? I dont want to give examples i could think of because it might give them ideas

Pretty much anything and everything and if they cant find examples they will make them up. Remember hallucinated wrongs are the best wrongs.

Probably on the hit list will be anything with a mezoamerican theme. Or a native american theme. Or arabian themes as thats "racist" now too. Probably the old BECMI gazeteers. Then Al-Qadim, then Living Jungle.

Would not surprise me if Shadowrun comes under fire.

Remember kids. The only good secgregation is a SJW enforced segregation.

I think if people want to criticize OA that is fine (and people responding to critiques of OA with different points of view is fine: that is how these conversations should go). But calling for it to be taken down, to me that is censorship, or at least very close to it. It just means people won't be able to access this material if they want to in the end. I get it isn't government censorship, it is pressure being put on a company to take down a product, but it still has the result, if it works, that people can't read a book that has been a staple in the hobby for decades. If people are concerned about content, it is much better to persuade readers about their positions, than get the material removed using social media pressure (which doesn't even seem like an honest barometer of public sentiment).