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I prefer the term "identists".  -ist em right back!

We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.  So what do we get?  An industry tipping leftwards from the path of least resistance.  Just look at Steve Jackson: the minute twitter stopped being a leftist echo chamber, he announced that it was full of fascists and ran away from it.  After years of constant positive reinforcement from the echo chamber for sticking rainbows randomly around his products, any kind of dissent whatsoever sent him right over the edge.  The industry has come to believe that the steady background hum of the wokes in social media is the normal status quo of the world, and have set up their products accordingly.

Quote from: Omega on November 17, 2023, 04:43:02 PM
I prefer the term "identists".  -ist em right back!

Ugh, is Apple commodifying teeth doctors now?! 

QuoteThere's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Correct. I have no problem with Left and Right Identarians in RPG hobby as long as they are not trying to change it into echo chamber. Wokesters are trying. Others generally do not.
And normies who gonna run away from RPG because of some random Twitter being both aggresively political and pro-RPG - well fuck them, they are worse than both collectivists and libertarians.

I really miss the days when RPGs were played in dingy hobby store back rooms and basements.  We were outcasts but we were outcasts together.  Now we have to worry about putting up appearances or hiding our views carefully whenever we approach the new boutique shops with shiny floors and gaming tables right out front.  It really pisses me off that I have to keep a close eye out when bringing my kid around because the trans immediately want to "make friends."   

Quote from: Valatar on November 17, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Oh really? So the gang of neofascists in the BroSR and adjacent to them that have been doing a brigading campaign of trying to claim I'm a grifter who is actually a super-woke leftist because I don't hate Jews, those are just imaginary?

The answer to collectivism is NOT collectivism-wearing-the-opposite-team-shirt.  It's telling all the collectivists to go fuck themselves, and not giving them an inch.

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 18, 2023, 07:50:34 AM

QuoteThere's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Correct. I have no problem with Left and Right Identarians in RPG hobby as long as they are not trying to change it into echo chamber. Wokesters are trying. Others generally do not.
And normies who gonna run away from RPG because of some random Twitter being both aggresively political and pro-RPG - well fuck them, they are worse than both collectivists and libertarians.

The BroSR is hyper aggressive at attacking anyone who stands up to them. They behave EXACTLY like the woke identitarians, which after all believe all the same things (including hating Jews).

Normies won't run from people saying 'we don't want bullshit diversity readers', the normies are sick to death of all that crap. But Normies see actual nazis and they'll fuck off, because any normal person would. We need to treat the Antisemites and white-favoring race-collectivists the same way we treat entryists to the hobby who are pro-Antifa, pro-BLM or pro-"MAP"; with extreme prejudice.

Quote from: Valatar on November 17, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.  So what do we get?  An industry tipping leftwards from the path of least resistance.  Just look at Steve Jackson: the minute twitter stopped being a leftist echo chamber, he announced that it was full of fascists and ran away from it.  After years of constant positive reinforcement from the echo chamber for sticking rainbows randomly around his products, any kind of dissent whatsoever sent him right over the edge.  The industry has come to believe that the steady background hum of the wokes in social media is the normal status quo of the world, and have set up their products accordingly.

Absolutely!  Piggybacking on that, let me say that if the youth want to get serious about preserving western civilization, they need to start identifying as conservative - stand up and be counted!  Pussyfooting around with "no labels," independent, or non-political is going to end you up in a re-education center or gulag.

We don't fight bad things (ideas, speech, behavior, policy, etc.) with apathy, neutrality, or running away... we fight it with good things.

I'm with you all the way. I don't want any politics. We grognards remember when the right held sway. The religious right came after us hard. Jack Chick was cited by every police department in the United States.

Right now the left has the power, sure, but the pendulum will swing once again. It's important our message be fuck off with your real world politics, whatever they might be.

I might despise marxists, but if you're at my gaming table and are keeping that crap off my radar I have no problem running the shadows or brawling with some mechs.

Once we're away from the table we have the entire internet to wage war.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 18, 2023, 08:50:06 AM

Quote from: Valatar on November 17, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Oh really? So the gang of neofascists in the BroSR and adjacent to them that have been doing a brigading campaign of trying to claim I'm a grifter who is actually a super-woke leftist because I don't hate Jews, those are just imaginary?

The answer to collectivism is NOT collectivism-wearing-the-opposite-team-shirt.  It's telling all the collectivists to go fuck themselves, and not giving them an inch.

Frankly they're the exception that proves the rule.

We could post all day about people and groups pushing from the left, whereas the right has a dozen angry dads that post on Twitter.

Notice he said no similar pressure, not no pressure. You're worrying about the guy who leaves a bag of flaming poop on your doorstep, while another guy is burning your house down.

No-one takes the BroSR seriously, and they have zero power. The nutty lefties have the ear of corporations and politicians.

Quote from: Grognard GM on November 18, 2023, 10:45:25 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 18, 2023, 08:50:06 AM

Quote from: Valatar on November 17, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Oh really? So the gang of neofascists in the BroSR and adjacent to them that have been doing a brigading campaign of trying to claim I'm a grifter who is actually a super-woke leftist because I don't hate Jews, those are just imaginary?

The answer to collectivism is NOT collectivism-wearing-the-opposite-team-shirt.  It's telling all the collectivists to go fuck themselves, and not giving them an inch.

Frankly they're the exception that proves the rule.

We could post all day about people and groups pushing from the left, whereas the right has a dozen angry dads that post on Twitter.

Notice he said no similar pressure, not no pressure. You're worrying about the guy who leaves a bag of flaming poop on your doorstep, while another guy is burning your house down.

No-one takes the BroSR seriously, and they have zero power. The nutty lefties have the ear of corporations and politicians.

Not just the ear, but the feet and fist and heart... and it's corporations, politicians, teachers, the media, thousands of activists ready to march and riot in the streets, etc.

I honestly can't get worked up over a few guys on Twitter. If we start seeing them take over WotC, Paizo, or other big name (for RPGs) companies then I'll start thinking about it. Although it'd be tough to be worse than the current set of nutcases that control these companies.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 18, 2023, 08:50:06 AM

Oh really? So the gang of neofascists in the BroSR and adjacent to them that have been doing a brigading campaign of trying to claim I'm a grifter who is actually a super-woke leftist because I don't hate Jews, those are just imaginary?

The answer to collectivism is NOT collectivism-wearing-the-opposite-team-shirt.  It's telling all the collectivists to go fuck themselves, and not giving them an inch.

You're right, I don't mean to imply that the fix to left-wing insanity is to run in and be right-wing insane in equal measure; pushing back against worshipping trannies and Marxists will not be accomplished by brigading creators to worship Trump instead.  Nor did I mean to imply that right-wing crazies don't exist, they certainly do. But the numbers aren't remotely equivalent. Or maybe they are equivalent on the whole, but the right-wing crazies aren't involving themselves in this hobby to nearly the same extent. They're off at the range or out hunting instead of on Twitter stalking RPG creators.  For whatever reason, the leftists have particularly infested the entertainment industry. RPGs, video games, movies, novels. Did you not include a trans character option in your game or leave out a sidebar condemning toxic masculinity?  That's an incoming harassment campaign. Meanwhile you don't hear about people crying over a company not doing their camo jacket in rainbow colors or not releasing AR furniture with the trans flag on it.

Quote from: Grognard GM on November 18, 2023, 10:45:25 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 18, 2023, 08:50:06 AM

Quote from: Valatar on November 17, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
We've never needed political edgelords in a hobby about playing games.  But the unfortunate fact is that the leftists will go out of their way to pillory creators who don't specifically pander to them, citing "inclusion" or "representation".  There's no similar pressure coming from the righties.

Oh really? So the gang of neofascists in the BroSR and adjacent to them that have been doing a brigading campaign of trying to claim I'm a grifter who is actually a super-woke leftist because I don't hate Jews, those are just imaginary?

The answer to collectivism is NOT collectivism-wearing-the-opposite-team-shirt.  It's telling all the collectivists to go fuck themselves, and not giving them an inch.

Frankly they're the exception that proves the rule.

We could post all day about people and groups pushing from the left, whereas the right has a dozen angry dads that post on Twitter.

Notice he said no similar pressure, not no pressure. You're worrying about the guy who leaves a bag of flaming poop on your doorstep, while another guy is burning your house down.

No-one takes the BroSR seriously, and they have zero power. The nutty lefties have the ear of corporations and politicians.

Most of them aren't dads.
Also, while obviously the right-wing collectivist identitarians are too stupid to accumulate the kind of massive power that the left has, that doesn't mean they're not a problem for a relatively small group like the OSR.  They're trying their absolute hardest to infiltrate and enter into the arena of the OSR, and just like Wokists want to fundamentally change it.

Consider this: Wokists join D&D groups, including attempting to join the OSR, though in fact they hate D&D and the OSR and all it stands for, so they join it to change it.
The BroSR similarly hate the OSR and all it stands for. Even their name is an attempt at Entryism, but their philosophy is that NO ONE should play OSR games, the only game that's acceptable to them is AD&D 1e. Their vision of the OSR is one where people are discouraged from making new OSR games or playing new OSR games.
It's exactly the same human garbage.