Pierce,
You are absolutely correct. I just find that other things, like  (the abstractions of) success or failure and the degrees thereof are adequate substitutes for (the abstractions of) life and death- for me. Unlike Sett, however I don't have an issue with the fact that others, like yourself presumably, feel differently.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Quote from: Settembrini;321678CoC? Which lovecraft Story has more than one protagonist?

The Dunwich Horror concludes with a team of academics heading out to Dunwich to solve the mystery and banish Wilbur. Slightly more tenuously, The Call of Cthulhu itself dealt with a number of people, each of whom individually stumbled across evidence of the global conspiracy to end time.

QuotePendragon? A success? Are you kidding me? Jack and Shit play Pendragon. And jack left for Uruguay some years ago.

Looks like I'm "shit" then.

Okay, nobody defends 007 anymore, that´s a start.

Now, Pendragon, I´m told is quite deadly & random.
And in fact, does not emulate the songs of the 12th century, but rather models battles, manors, marriages and births in a rather positivist way. But I´m open to being corrected. I´d fucking bet a hundred € that Pendragon has a hard timeline for the "real rule of Arthur".
Right, totally like a minstrel song. Totally emulated.

Also, CoC  = basically hardcore D&D with inversed levelling. If not, it´s an abomination that rightfully is only popular with a small incestous band of illusionists. No one here would like it, I´m pretty sure. Also: Only contemporary CoC could even START to be emulating Lovecraft. Funnily, the least popular of all settings ever for CoC. Delta Green does 1) not really fit, but even if, there´s a reason it hasn´t been available in a long, long time. EDIT: And Call of Cthulhu schall be an example of how a module plays? Puh-Leeze.

So, in which ones was player death ruled out? Please tell me again?

Shame on you, Sett, you're shifting goalposts. You need to go back reread the thread, your own posts included.  CoC and the others were brought up as examples of games that emulate genre- which you seemed to believe was the ultimate evil, not games wherein death was taken off the table.

Okay, as far as I´ve seen, I´ve rebunked all but CoC. We can argue about CoC. I say it does not emulate genre. Actually I indeed debunked that too, care to refute?

To turn your argument around, are you saying that emulation of genre is possible IF player death is not forfeited? Because there might be hope for you.

It's obvious that you cannot even read English as shown here.

Quote from: Settembrini;321747Okay, nobody defends 007 anymore, that´s a start.

Holy shite. The game was a fucking success and was discontinued due to license problems, not due to a lack of sales, illiterate mongrel.

QuoteAnd in fact, does not emulate the songs of the 12th century, but rather models battles, manors, marriages and births in a rather positivist way. But I´m open to being corrected. I´d fucking bet a hundred € that Pendragon has a hard timeline for the "real rule of Arthur".
Right, totally like a minstrel song. Totally emulated.

You don't have a fucking clue. "Positivist?" What the fuck does that mean?

Also, Pendragon emulates mainly the works of Sir Thomas Malory, who lived in the 14th - 15th century, not the 12th. Moron.

QuoteAlso, CoC  = basically hardcore D&D with inversed levelling.

:eek: The fuck?

QuoteIf not, it´s an abomination that rightfully is only popular with a small incestous band of illusionists. No one here would like it, I´m pretty sure.

You have outdone yourself here, Sett. There are no limits for you.

QuoteAlso: Only contemporary CoC could even START to be emulating Lovecraft.

I don't think you have read Lovecraft. I don't think you can read at all. Actually, I don't think you could pass a Turing test.

QuoteFunnily, the least popular of all settings ever for CoC. Delta Green does 1) not really fit, but even if, there´s a reason it hasn´t been available in a long, long time.

AS far as I know DG is still available, fucker.

QuoteEDIT: And Call of Cthulhu schall be an example of how a module plays? Puh-Leeze.

Not for you, that's obvious.

QuoteSo, in which ones was player death ruled out? Please tell me again?

In none of them, abnormality aborted from Hell. No one said that.

Please show me the Thomas Mallory parts were stuff is modelled on a probabilistic basis.

Apart from that, I see no arguments from you.

I'm saying that player death is an abstraction. Like other abstractions- hit points for example, it can be replaced by alternate abstractions. As player death is rare in my games, there is tendency to concentrate more on goals and the relative success or failure in relation to pursuing them.  This is fun for us.

To be frank, player death is always an option in my games, but I tend to use systems that mitigate the possibility somewhat with mechanics such as conviction points in True 20, or the dreaded healing surge in 4e.
This is because, whereas I believer the possibility of player death adds a good deal to the game,  the actuality does not.
Furthermore, as to weather or not you think there is hope for me, I could not be more indifferent.
You should learn some tolerance for other peoples divergent tastes. It's embarrassing to watch you crank up the witch hunt machine every time someone doesn't agree with you- leave that sort of behavior to the Americans.
P.S. Imnmmer isn't a word, and neither is rebunked.
P.P.S If you have ever played a resurrected character in D&D, you are part of the festering wound that has been destroying this hobby since the early 70's.

Quote from: Imperator;321765You don't have a fucking clue. "Positivist?" What the fuck does that mean?

It means you need an education, dipshit.

QuoteAlso, Pendragon emulates mainly the works of Sir Thomas Malory, who lived in the 14th - 15th century, not the 12th.

How so?

Have you read Malory?

Exactly what kind of text is it, in your opinion, and how, precisely, does Pendragon "emulate" it?

We played CoC like D&D, btw. First, the investigation phase, naturally. And then, Tomb of Horrors.

Neither is ressurected. Just sayin'.

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I have to edit every post 4-5 times to get the spelling right.

Quote from: Aos;321768I'm saying that player death is an abstraction. Like other abstractions- hit points for example, it can be replaced by alternate abstractions. As player death is rare in my games, there is tendency to concentrate more on goals and the relative success or failure in relation to pursuing them.  This is fun for us.

To be frank, player death is always an option in my games, but I tend to use systems that mitigate the possibility somewhat with mechanics such as conviction points in True 20, or the dreaded healing surge in 4e.
This is because, whereas I believer the possibility of player death adds a good deal to the game,  the actuality does not.
Furthermore, as to weather or not you think there is hope for me, I could not be more indifferent.
You should learn some tolerance for other peoples divergent tastes. It's embarrassing to watch you crank up the witch hunt machine every time someone doesn't agree with you- leave that sort of behavior to the Americans.
P.S. Imnmmer isn't a word, and neither is rebunked.
P.P.S If you have ever played a resurrected character in D&D, you are part of the festering wound that has been destroying this hobby since the early 70's.

I appreciate your nuanced view. But if the character, although he doesn´t actually die, faces repercussions that make him unplayable, he´s out of the game. Call it death or whatever you want. It´s the same in many regards. When you emulate a genre, there are genre conventions that govern if the story ends in a happy or a sad end, or no end at all. There are confrontational pieces of literature that might be open to be emulated by unpredictable endings. I´m pretty sure no one so far ever talked about such things when "genre emulation" comes up in an RPG context. To cut you some slack, again, in CoC there might be room for discussing this. I have an opinion on that, but it might be refutable.

Re: rebunk: http://www.indecisionforever.com/2008/06/30/political-addictionary-word-of-the-day-rebunk/

Well golly, now I've got slack, hope and I'm part of the soon to be victorious festering wound. Beyond that, I've explained my pov well enough that I feel no need to continue.

Quote from: Aos;321774I have to edit every post 4-5 times to get the spelling right.

Welcome to my world. *sigh*

Quote from: Settembrini;321747Also, CoC  = basically hardcore D&D with inversed levelling. If not, it´s an abomination that rightfully is only popular with a small incestous band of illusionists. No one here would like it, I´m pretty sure.

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