Quote from: Hobo on June 25, 2024, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on June 25, 2024, 08:45:38 AMWhen you add shit to an ice cream sundae, the shit ruins the sundae; the sundae doesn't make the shit better.  Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

No, that's not how it works. You're taking a cowardly SJW tactic of "scan for some offhand comment buried in a link I can pretend to be offended by" followed by "dismiss everything factual that I don't want to face because of said offhand comment" combined with "attempt to cancel the person who I'm pretending to be offended by so I never have to face the sources that I don't want to see ever again."

That makes you a liar and a bad faith actor.

QuoteNow answer the question: do you agree with the quote from the article?

I don't owe any answers to liars and bad faith actors, especially about off topic non sequiturs.

Hey, Pundit, looks like GenCon doesn't have a monopoly on the anti-Semites...

Quote from: Hobo on June 24, 2024, 03:59:50 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on June 24, 2024, 02:25:43 PMWith the same education as Einstein could you come up with the theory of relativity?

They will say yes, then you tell them Einstein was a mutant, he was missing grey matter that put two of his lobes closer than normal which gave him a different view on the world.  You would never be an Einstein without that mutation.

ORLY? https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/a-few-historical-frauds/

As a physicist, I'd like to comment on the substance of the claim, which is:

QuoteEinstein's papers, theories, mathematics, documentation, were almost 100% plagiarised from others. He combined the prior published works of several people into one paper and claimed ownership of all of it. His so-called theories were nothing more than a composition encompassing the prior work of men like James Maxwell, Hendrik Lorentz, Joseph Larmor, Olinto De Pretto, Robert Brown, Ludwig Boltzmann, Friedrich Hasenöhrl, and many more.

In a paper he wrote in 1907, in part responding to (already-virulent) accusations of plagiarism, Einstein declared that plagiarism was perfectly acceptable as a form of ethical research, stating "... the nature [of physics is] that what follows has already been partly solved by other authors. I am [therefore] entitled to leave out a thoroughly pedantic survey of the literature..."

This requires that not just the popular press be in on the conspiracy, but also the Nobel Prize committee (which takes attribution very seriously) as well as all of the mainstream biographers and historians of science.

What Einstein says about plagiarism in math is essentially correct. An accusation of plagiarizing math is very different from plagiarizing creative writing. In the math of a theoretical physics papers, you're always going to be using many equations written by other people in addition to your own. Math isn't creative writing, and no one writes their math equations full of attribution footnotes. Here's a paper in particular refuting the accursation that he plagiarized Poincare.

https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/4137

Einstein did use other people's math, but he added his own and came to unique conclusions from it, for which he has been praised by all sorts of scientists and scientific organizations, Jewish and non-Jewish. I wouldn't call it a mutation because it's not clear what part of his insights came from genetics and what part came from environment. (There's more to environment than just education.) But however he came by it, Einstein was a genius.

Reddit at it again. I have a feeling thats a rebuttal to this very thread.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

https://new.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1dy6sia/dd_cocreator_gary_gygax_was_sexist_talking_about/

Quote from: Omega on July 08, 2024, 03:54:43 PMReddit at it again. I have a feeling thats a rebuttal to this very thread.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

https://new.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1dy6sia/dd_cocreator_gary_gygax_was_sexist_talking_about/

LOL at that Gygax quote. Sounds like he was just pissed off about some pandering bullshit, but since it was given absolutely no context, of course they will take it as uncharitably as possible.

Quote from: Omega on July 08, 2024, 03:54:43 PMReddit at it again. I have a feeling thats a rebuttal to this very thread.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

https://new.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1dy6sia/dd_cocreator_gary_gygax_was_sexist_talking_about/

I LOLed at the idiots comparing Mercer to Gygax...

Quote from: Brad on July 08, 2024, 04:47:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on July 08, 2024, 03:54:43 PMhttps://new.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1dy6sia/dd_cocreator_gary_gygax_was_sexist_talking_about/

LOL at that Gygax quote. Sounds like he was just pissed off about some pandering bullshit, but since it was given absolutely no context, of course they will take it as uncharitably as possible.

I presume you're talking about the snippet at the top? They give the full quote later in the article.

QuoteWriting in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said,

"I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn't what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth. I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the 'Raping and Pillaging['] section, in the 'Whores and Tavern Wenches' chapter, the special magical part dealing with 'Hags and Crones', and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on 'Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking'. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn't matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men's locker room. They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I've seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I'll detail that if anyone wishes."

I can't find the complete Europa 10-11 online, but I found #6-8 which also has some comments by Gygax.

https://whiningkentpigs.com/DW/oldzines/europa6-8.pdf

It's what we've been saying all along. Even Gary saw it back in the 70's/80's.

Anyone who wants to play is welcome. Radical ideologues who want to change the whole hobby to conform to their specific ideas of isms are missing the forest for the trees. They're bad faith actors and should be avoided if you want to play your game, much less retain your sanity.

Quote from: jhkim on July 08, 2024, 05:17:03 PM

Quote from: Brad on July 08, 2024, 04:47:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on July 08, 2024, 03:54:43 PMhttps://new.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1dy6sia/dd_cocreator_gary_gygax_was_sexist_talking_about/

LOL at that Gygax quote. Sounds like he was just pissed off about some pandering bullshit, but since it was given absolutely no context, of course they will take it as uncharitably as possible.

I presume you're talking about the snippet at the top? They give the full quote later in the article.

QuoteWriting in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said,

"I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn't what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth. I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the 'Raping and Pillaging['] section, in the 'Whores and Tavern Wenches' chapter, the special magical part dealing with 'Hags and Crones', and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on 'Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking'. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn't matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men's locker room. They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I've seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I'll detail that if anyone wishes."

I can't find the complete Europa 10-11 online, but I found #6-8 which also has some comments by Gygax.

https://whiningkentpigs.com/DW/oldzines/europa6-8.pdf

So he WAS pissed off about some pandering or the Feminyds trying to infiltrate the game...

But you (and the whole woke cult) will ignore the part I bolded, his prior comments elsewhere to pillory him.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 08, 2024, 05:38:16 PMIt's what we've been saying all along. Even Gary saw it back in the 70's/80's.

Anyone who wants to play is welcome. Radical ideologues who want to change the whole hobby to conform to their specific ideas of isms are missing the forest for the trees. They're bad faith actors and should be avoided if you want to play your game, much less retain your sanity.

Gary's only mistake was to use their terminology as if it was legitimate.  The left uses "sexist" to mean anyone who holds a scientific view of human sexes that recognizes their differences in biology, social interactions, and preferences.  Just like someone in favor of controlled, legal immigration is now a "xenophobe" or "white nationalist."  The left labels with slander to try and denigrate ideas they don't like.

I've never been a great fan of Gygax, but I think he and I would probably have much more common ground than either of us would with WotC's Church of Asmodeus.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on July 08, 2024, 07:25:55 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 08, 2024, 05:38:16 PMIt's what we've been saying all along. Even Gary saw it back in the 70's/80's.

Anyone who wants to play is welcome. Radical ideologues who want to change the whole hobby to conform to their specific ideas of isms are missing the forest for the trees. They're bad faith actors and should be avoided if you want to play your game, much less retain your sanity.

Gary's only mistake was to use their terminology as if it was legitimate.  The left uses "sexist" to mean anyone who holds a scientific view of human sexes that recognizes their differences in biology, social interactions, and preferences.  Just like someone in favor of controlled, legal immigration is now a "xenophobe" or "white nationalist."  The left labels with slander to try and denigrate ideas they don't like.

Yep. They use such word games because they work.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2024, 06:54:48 PMSo he WAS pissed off about some pandering or the Feminyds trying to infiltrate the game...

But you (and the whole woke cult) will ignore the part I bolded, his prior comments elsewhere to pillory him.

Probably the same sort of crap that has gone on since time immemorial: some dude tries to hook up with a girl by placating her in some fashion. The girl you wanna date hates wargames because they're too violent and/or complicated? Why not add some rainbows and unicorns and get rid of all those pesky combat tables! Yeah, never works...look at the state of D&D now. Endless stupidity to attract a segment of the population that only cares about being the center of attention and won't spend any money on the product.

I hate the woke deconstruction take on well, everything. I just have a hard time making an issue out of what some random Internet person reads into a few sentences from an interview done fifty years ago in 1975. WotC and their minions have demonstrated an overwhelming derision for the originators of D&D even though they use the IP to make money, so this just looks like more rage click bait advertising from them.

Quote from: Brad on July 08, 2024, 10:40:36 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2024, 06:54:48 PMSo he WAS pissed off about some pandering or the Feminyds trying to infiltrate the game...

But you (and the whole woke cult) will ignore the part I bolded, his prior comments elsewhere to pillory him.

Probably the same sort of crap that has gone on since time immemorial: some dude tries to hook up with a girl by placating her in some fashion. The girl you wanna date hates wargames because they're too violent and/or complicated? Why not add some rainbows and unicorns and get rid of all those pesky combat tables! Yeah, never works...look at the state of D&D now. Endless stupidity to attract a segment of the population that only cares about being the center of attention and won't spend any money on the product.

Greetings!

YEAH! That's what we need more of--"Rainbows and Unicorns!" *Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jhkim on July 08, 2024, 05:17:03 PMI presume you're talking about the snippet at the top? They give the full quote later in the article.

QuoteWriting in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said,

"I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn't what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth. I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the 'Raping and Pillaging['] section, in the 'Whores and Tavern Wenches' chapter, the special magical part dealing with 'Hags and Crones', and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on 'Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking'. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn't matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men's locker room. They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I've seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I'll detail that if anyone wishes."

Honestly, that's just funny.

Absent context I couldn't say for sure, but it does read like a response someone might give if they're sick of addressing the same accusation over and over again.

I don't much care whether Gygax was a sexist or not. I'm neither a Gygax hater nor a Gygax worshipper. With all due respect to the man and his work, I kind of regard him as the slightly kooky grandpa of the roleplaying hobby.

Anyway, "sexist" is much like "racist", in that the term has enough variable meanings that just saying the label could be applied to someone doesn't say anything substantive about their character.