Quote from: SettembriniWell jdrakeh behaves like an idiot, that´s an established fact.
So newbie-guy: ignore him, and all shall be fine. He has a problem with reality, but we shall remain unharmed by it.

No worries.  My BS detector started flashing the moment he posted.  I read his comment.  Said, "WTF?! Did I post to the wrong board?"  Went and read a bunch of threads and came to the conclusion that I posted to the right place and  that he was demonstrating typical swine behaviour.

I mean, seriously:  

QuoteI think you may be disappointed. Many posters here (indeed, I think the majority) vehemently disagree with Pundit's views. I, for example, post here in spite of Pundit, not because of him (though to be fair, he also makes some good points in between the conspiracy theory screeds). If I were you, I'd try the general discussion forums at Dragonsfoot (or the sub-forums for game-specific elitism).

That's just fucking funny.  Many posters, meaning jdrakeh, a few swine-missionary friends, and a handful of sock puppet accounts I'm sure.

OK, I'm done with this thread.  It turned into a flame fest about 10 posts back.  All I wanted to do was say "hi" and get to reading, and eventually participating in a positive way.  This isn't helping.

Talk to you folks, hopefully soon, on other threads.

Quote from: architect.zeroI mean, seriously:   That's just fucking funny.  Many posters, meaning jdrakeh, a few swine-missionary friends, and a handful of sock puppet accounts I'm sure.

You're wrong.
I mean, welcome, and all, but... your BS detector is fucked up.

Quote from: architect.zeroI mean, seriously:   That's just fucking funny.  Many posters, meaning jdrakeh, a few swine-missionary friends, and a handful of sock puppet accounts I'm sure.

No. If you jdrakeh's comments to refer to Forge type games, you're probably right, not a terribly lot of support for them here. But I imagine he was talking about Pundit in general and his take on "swine," and there is, indeed, major disagreement with him in regard to those.

Seanchai

Quote from: architect.zeroOK, I'm done with this thread.  It turned into a flame fest about 10 posts back.  All I wanted to do was say "hi" and get to reading, and eventually participating in a positive way.  This isn't helping.

Maybe you should have just started a thread about what you like to play - with a "hi first post" included - instead of proclaiming solidarity to one side in a make believe war. Because you are right, this really isn't helping.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RMaybe you should have just started a thread about what you like to play - with a "hi first post" included - instead of proclaiming solidarity to one side in a make believe war. Because you are right, this really isn't helping.

Regards,
David R

But...But...David...do i have to bring up VBWyrde?

OK, maybe I'm wrong.  I'm tired after two weeks of hell - and that's not a reference to these threads - but is this the advice you gave him?

If not, best take care when calling out others...

If so, I'll apologize profusely and beg your forgiveness....

Quote from: James J SkachIf so, I'll apologize profusely and beg your forgiveness....

James perhaps you should take a look at VW's post (the pictue link one - apparently he has posted here before...I think). He wanted to post some pictures of the indie scene, went out of his way to say that he likes the trad stuff and was exploring the indie/forge stuff, this last part after the opening salvos by AM. Also the tone of AZ posts makes it very clear that he believes in this war and the Pundit's crusade and he doesn't have a problem throwing the Swine epithet around esp deserving of scorn since he hasn't defined what the word means to him (or maybe he's using it in the trad (Pundit) sense).

No need to apologize, I'm perhaps a little vexed by the Swine missionary type statement which I assume was directed at me.

Regards,
David R

Welcome to theRPGsite.

Quote from: architect.zero*snip*

Thanks RPGPundit.

I just wanted to mention that if you had made those statements regarding any other view about the war, or anyone else other than The Pundit, you would have been roasted alive.

You would have been attacked for using insular 'lingo'.

You would have been attacked for having an opinion about gaming after not gaming for two years.

You would have been accused of being a dimwitted sycophant.

Because 'they' often act worse than the 'enemies' they fight.

And surprisingly, I find I also agree with a lot of what The Pundit has to say. Certainly not all of it however, and only in cases where I can also figure out what he's actually raging against.

Quote from: RPGPunditIf you make another post where you blatantly and literally try to drive away a newbie just because he's shown to be favourable to regular gaming, you'll have the honor of being the very first person this site has ever banned.

Tell you what, how 'bout you make use of that other testicle and ban the next person who tells ANY new member to leave.

Quote from: RPGPunditIts another thing altogether when they start scaring away the precise sort of gamer that I made this site for.

What else do you know about architect.zero, besides the fact that he seems to agree with your views on the war, that makes him the precise sort of gamer you made this site for?

I mean, I was under the impression that this site was made for gamers who wanted to be free to speak their mind.

Quote from: jdrakehIf I were you, I'd try the general discussion forums at Dragonsfoot (or the sub-forums for game-specific elitism).

Get off your fucking cross, jdrakeh. What next, C&C enthusiasts peeing in your pool, or is it going to be a rant about people disagreeing with one of your posts? :rolleyes: :haw:

BTW, welcome, architect.zero! Hope you find a lot of constructive discussion here and, what's more important, find a fun game to play in. Shooting the crap online is nothing like sitting down and actually playing.

Quote from: RPGPunditIf you make another post where you blatantly and literally try to drive away a newbie just because he's shown to be favourable to regular gaming, you'll have the honor of being the very first person this site has ever banned.  

RPGPundit

This position, on the other hand, is something you need to seriously reconsider. It is my considered opinion that theRPGSite would not be well served by a move to this effect. When open discussion is what you wish for, you should be prepared to put up with the annoyance - as others have had to put up with yours. It is the price of mostly unmoderated discussion, and I think it is one worthy of being paid.

QuoteOn the other hand, Architect came here, said "I dig the pundit, I can't stand the Swine, and I like Regular RPGs", and jdrakeh had the gall to actually claim to him "no one here will agree with you, go to dragonsfoot". Fuck that. Its one of the most blatant cases of intentionally attempting to sabotage the functioning of this site that I've seen thus far. That's why I felt totally justified in my warning.

And this is nonsense. The guy got jdrakeh's "advice" (which really amounted to nothing more than a directionless swipe at boards/people/stuff he doesn't like), the guy got others' advice, and that's it. Reasonably intelligent people are fortunately more than able to make up their minds even when conflicting viewpoints are introduced.

Quote from: SeanchaiNo. If you jdrakeh's comments to refer to Forge type games, you're probably right, not a terribly lot of support for them here. But I imagine he was talking about Pundit in general and his take on "swine," and there is, indeed, major disagreement with him in regard to those.

Seanchai

No, there's a group that is in open agreement with me, a group that is in open conflict and seeking to oppose me, and a considerable majority of this site that really don't give a fuck about the whole Swine War.

RPGPundit

Quote from: MelanThis position, on the other hand, is something you need to seriously reconsider. It is my considered opinion that theRPGSite would not be well served by a move to this effect. When open discussion is what you wish for, you should be prepared to put up with the annoyance - as others have had to put up with yours. It is the price of mostly unmoderated discussion, and I think it is one worthy of being paid.

Indeed. I'd even go as far as saying that Pundit banning jdrakeh for the reasons given above would be one of the defining moments in the evoloution of the site. And not in a good way.

Quote from: MelanThis position, on the other hand, is something you need to seriously reconsider. It is my considered opinion that theRPGSite would not be well served by a move to this effect. When open discussion is what you wish for, you should be prepared to put up with the annoyance - as others have had to put up with yours. It is the price of mostly unmoderated discussion, and I think it is one worthy of being paid.

I agree completely that free unmoderated discussion is vital.

Now imagine this place is a building, a club or whatever; where inside the people engaging in discussion are allowed to speak their mind in any way they want.

Jdrakeh has now become a guy at the door screaming at newcomers that they should go away! Flee! Try some other place! Don't come in here its not for you!!
etc. etc.

I don't think free speech extends to a guy who's trying to cost the club new members, trying to drive them away.  That's the clearest case of direct sabotage/disruption I could imagine short of attacking the physical structure of the site itself.

RPGpundit

How about this parable?

Have shabbily-dressed nutbags ranting and raving on the street corner about inane conspiracy theories revolving around jews, the New World Order and the Trilateral Commission (or whatever) cost banking chains customers? Yes, of course, but it is a good thing these same banking chains don't possess the power to remove the same nutbags. Where they do, people learn soon enough that such means come with less than pleasant side-effects...

Quote from: RPGPunditJdrakeh has now become a guy at the door screaming at newcomers that they should go away! Flee! Try some other place! Don't come in here its not for you!!
etc. etc.

This is really funny considering the antics of some of the other posters. But they subscribe to your agenda, so I guess that makes it okay.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: RPGPunditNo, there's a group that is in open agreement with me, a group that is in open conflict and seeking to oppose me, and a considerable majority of this site that really don't give a fuck about the whole Swine War.

RPGPundit

That still makes two out of three groups who don't want to be associated with your crusade.