Quote from: MOB;878006Well, counsel from egregious sh:hand:tstirrers or concern trolls is not helpful to anyone.

Akrasia is hardly a good fit for the "egregious shit-stirrer" label you're so ready to hand out. But he's a grownup and more than capable of defending himself.

I don't know who you are, but if you work for Chaosium, y'all would do well to take the slice of humble pie he's serving you. You're not in your company forums, where brand loyalty is a given. Chaosium has managed this abysmally and it's only Loz and Pete (who have a ton of goodwill with RQ fandom, at least around these parts) coming forward to clarify things that's made the company look merely incompetent, instead of uncaring. A little owning up would be a nice change of tone.

Loz and Pete don't have any store of good will from me. They don't have any ill will either. I don't know Loz and Pete from a hole in the wall, but I'm glad their posts have been polite and rational. It makes it much easier not to hold their fan's boiling outrage against them.

Are some Runequest fans jealous because so far there hasn't been a big edition war kerfuffle like D&D 3E vs. 4E?

A post earlier in this thread about the new RQ having exclusive access to Glorantha makes me wonder--doesn't OpenQuest have some Glorantha supplements? And how did that come about? Are they about to lose that license?

The only OpenQuest book to have any Gloranthan Content, which is licensed by the special Commercial Fan License I have with Moon Design , is OpenQuest Adventures which has a not entirely canonical adventure and some notes on how to run Gloranthan Magic by Simon Bray who uses OQ for his Gloranthan Games.  So its all very fanish and not very official

Everything else D101 puts out under the Commericial Fan License, ie. Hearts in Glorantha and Gloranthan Adventures is for HeroQuest, with a light smattering of RQ3 in some of the articles/adventures in HiG.

And no we're not about to loose our Gloranthan License

Quote from: MOB;878006We didn't "stab" TDM in the back as you asserted earlier, nor did we "abandon" RQ6 - we graciously gave TDM a year's notice of our intentions, continued selling and promoting their product through our website, and even gave L&P the job of writing the new edition!

...and then backstabbed them by pulling AiG leaving them with a several hundred page book they can't sell.

Akrasia a concern troll?  Go fuck yourself and your whore of a mother you shit-stained fat bastard.  Go back to the Mid-East, maybe ISIS will do us all a favor and cut your useless mouthpiece head off.

P.S. Welcome to theRPGsite.

Quote from: MOB;878006... Well, counsel from egregious sh:hand:tstirrers or concern trolls is not helpful to anyone...

Heh. This reply only demonstrates my earlier point: you guys need to work on your PR.

This is no way for a representative of a company to reply to customers on a public forum.  (I may not be happy with what Chaosium has decided with respect to RQ, but I still play CoC and look forward to my copy of 7e.)
 
I'll leave it at that.

Quote from: Akrasia;878043Heh. This reply only demonstrates my earlier point: you guys need to work on your PR.

MOB is certainly no Ben Monroe. That's for sure.

I don't want 'edition wars', I'm in no way jealous of the D&D crowd for that mess... but some of us are annoyed that (maybe/probably for legit business reasons) product lines we enjoyed from Chaosium and licensees (BRP, Magic World, RQ6 and Alephtar's stuff) have been dropped... seemingly to concentrate on pushing Glorantha. Calling the new RQ 'RQ4' rather than 'RQ7' strikes some as a insulting to DM as well... and needlessly confusing.

I do feel a bit as if I've been fired as a customer... similar to the stuff Games Workshop continues to pull... though I'm still expecting to buy After the Vampire Wars when the reformatted version comes out.

One day I need to sit down and write an article about Geek Business Fallacies - like the Geek Social Fallacies idea but applied to business. Fallacy 1 would be "Licensors have no right to pull a licence."

Quote from: Warthur;878081Fallacy 1 would be "Licensors have no right to pull a licence."

Who suggested that?

Quote from: Warthur;878081One day I need to sit down and write an article about Geek Business Fallacies - like the Geek Social Fallacies idea but applied to business. Fallacy 1 would be "Licensors have no right to pull a licence."

:confused:

Who is committing this fallacy?  I don't think anyone is disputing the legal right in question.

"Licensors who pull licences are assholes", then, whatever.

Quote from: Warthur;878090"Licensors who pull licences are assholes", then, whatever.

Soooo... not necessarily a 'fallacy' then, 'cause they might very well be. Assholes.
Not that anyone said Chaosium were assholes either. Well... not me.

Quote from: CRKrueger;878039...and then backstabbed them by pulling AiG leaving them with a several hundred page book they can't sell.

Akrasia a concern troll?  Go fuck yourself and your whore of a mother you shit-stained fat bastard.  Go back to the Mid-East, maybe ISIS will do us all a favor and cut your useless mouthpiece head off.

P.S. Welcome to theRPGsite.

Lay off the drugs mate.

Quote from: The Butcher;878016Akrasia is hardly a good fit for the "egregious shit-stirrer" label you're so ready to hand out.

Akrasia is trying to stir up conflict, between his blog posts ('Chaosium fumbles fatally'), accusations of "stabbing" Loz and Pete and "abandoning" RQ6, claims of super secret insider knowledge, and so on. That's sh:hand:t stirring in my book. Buy hey Acrasia, thanks for allowing us to inspire such passion. I would say that's far better that than indifference (excluding some pathetic trolling - stay classy Kruger:cool:)

Quote from: Warthur;878090"Licensors who pull licences are assholes", then, whatever.

Well my view Chaosium are not assholes, I do consider them foolish in this regard to not let Design Mechanism continue with a trademark license. Because Pete and Loz are top notch writers and proven to create a quality product that is good enough to attract people like me who are not Runequest fans into buying and playing it.

I am not surprised that TDM sales are as up there as everybody thought. In the end it is Runequest which has to compete against a variety of RPGs that blanket the range of complexity of mechanics. But I feel their sales would have been sustained over the long haul because they do good work with regular releases.

So without the Runequest trademark we will see what happens with TDM. I think they will be around to stay myself only this time with a trademark and brand they control.