Quote from: Warthur;878270I'm not sure how much of that is down to Akrasia's whispering campaign where he PMs people dropping the same "I game with one of the Design Mechanism guys and there's totally secret dirt and rancor involved" hints he did in his blog post without actually saying anything of substance.

What whispering campaign? I've received no PMs from Akrasia this year or the last (I think we might have discussed some issues on TBP years ago, but I might be mixing him with someone else, and the discussion was about probabilities and a totally different SF setting).
I didn't like the original announcement when I read it first, and then I looked at how it was handled and liked their attitude even less.

And regarding the posting of MOB in this thread, fans are right now tearing a new one to OPP for much milder reactions. Said reactions were coming from an Ex3 developer and not the VP, so I'm kinda surprised the reaction wasn't much stronger than what we have now.
I suspect Chaosium is simply enjoying much more goodwill from this forum community, but I also think it would be unwise to keep relying on this.

Quote from: baragei;878375Yes, it kind of is. In a very sad way.  
Oh well..

I agree. It's all rather sad. There's a whiff of sour grapes around, and I include myself in that.

Quote from: Warthur;878362...
Conspiracy requires multiple conspirators and I was accusing you of grinding this axe all by your ownsom.

So, according to you, I'm causing all of Chaosium's woes on all the various boards all by myself?  Through my "whispering campaign"?  :rolleyes:

Do you not see how crazy that is?

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But if that just consisted of blog posts a few months ago and PMs to me where you said more about your gaming connections than you actually said of substance, I suppose we all just have to take your word for it.

Yes, you do. Because it's the truth.

But feel free to try to produce any evidence to the contrary. That should be amusing.

(And my "gaming connections" in this context, by the way, are no secret. I have gamed with Loz in the past. That's public knowledge. But my judgements and characterizations about what has happened with RQ, to the extent that I've expressed them, are entirely my own. I've tried to be careful in what I say to avoid any confusion on that score.)

Quote from: markfitz;878377I really have to say I admire the way the DM guys have been handling it, and handling themselves with professionalism and restraint. What we see on forums is obviously only the tip of the iceberg but they've consistently been cool and not fanned the flames. I think they come out of this looking good, and with a hell of a lot of good will from all the gamers they've won over with their excellent RQ 6 and its top notch supplements. I think they have a very solid, though small, fan base who will follow their work with the new iteration and fight hard to help them build up the brand, which as Pete said, doing from scratch is daunting.

The issue about the licence took everyone by surprise, including them obviously, but as they say, it's now been cleared up. It just looks like very poor communication choices by MD/Chaosium. It seems like they could have handled all of this a lot better.

Well said. I agree 100%.

Quote from: The Butcher;878171We are all coming across as whiny bitches who can't deal with critics.

Fixed that for you ...

Well, I really like Runequest, I just hope the newest iteration does not limit itself to just Glorantha themes, but instead remembers all of the RuneQuest fans and includes them.

Quote from: soltakss;878405Fixed that for you ...

Speak for yourself, fanboy.

Quote from: GameDaddy;878406Well, I really like Runequest, I just hope the newest iteration does not limit itself to just Glorantha themes, but instead remembers all of the RuneQuest fans and includes them.

That's not what the article linked said.  It's all Glorantha all the time now.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;878442That's not what the article linked said.  It's all Glorantha all the time now.

And it's always been Glorantha, right? We have always been at war with Eurasia ....

Quote from: richaje;878374It is surreal.

So that's a "No" on Adventures in Glorantha then?

I guess we'll just have to buy all the 18 different supplements for RQ2.5 again because the single comprehensive unified resource won't be available.

:hand:

Quote from: The Butcher;878409Speak for yourself, fanboy.

His income partly depends on playing nice, remember.

I'm really not excited about buying "Oh Look It's Dragon Pass" again and its followup "Horrible Metaplot." On the other hand, at least it's not Heroquest.

So where'd all those thousands of RQ3 fans who loathe Glorantha go? I'm sure they're out there somewhere and MD just stabbed themselves in the wallet because the backlash will be ruthless and extreme.

But out here in the cheap seats all I see is a high crossover between the RQ2 and Glorantha fan bases that raised $460K plus over two kickstarters.

Surely the Glorantha haters have at least that much commercial impact and can it send the way of The Game Formerly Known As RQ6, where they'll never have to fret about ducks again. That's awesome. Let MD see you vote with your wallets. Me, Runequest IS Glorantha so I'm in that $460K crowd, but that's just where I come from.

Quote from: econobus;878460So where'd all those thousands of RQ3 fans who loathe Glorantha go? I'm sure they're out there somewhere and MD just stabbed themselves in the wallet because the backlash will be ruthless and extreme.

But out here in the cheap seats all I see is a high crossover between the RQ2 and Glorantha fan bases that raised $460K plus over two kickstarters.

Surely the Glorantha haters have at least that much commercial impact and can it send the way of The Game Formerly Known As RQ6, where they'll never have to fret about ducks again. That's awesome. Let MD see you vote with your wallets. Me, Runequest IS Glorantha so I'm in that $460K crowd, but that's just where I come from.

There is enough Runequest/TDM fans to fund a 30k Indiegogo campaign for the RQ6. I guess we will see what happens they try using it for new projects.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/runequest-6-special-edition-hardback/x/958388#/

Also Mongoose Legends is consistently on the Hot Seller List over on RPGNow. Currently #52, and is Platinum Seller.

So yes there are fans of Runequest that are not fans of Glorantha.

Now Runequest as the RPG for Glorantha and Glorantha itself are  far more well known than either Mongoose Runequest, Legend, and Runequest 6. So it not surprising that that all three Glorantha related kickstarters have backers in the low thousands as opposed to TDM hundreds of backers. And in latest Runequest 2 kickstarter there is the fact that it also benefits the original designers of the game directly.

However I think once the current wave subsides the situation will revert to the way it was under Mongoose. There are fans of the game, and the fans of the setting. There are enough of both to sustain each with some crossover but it not going to be big bucks and not going to ignite a renaissance of interest in either Runequest or Glorantha.

The one thing that is important about what is going on is that I believe it will ignite enough interest keep both viable into the next generation of gamers and that is a good thing in my book.

And I still think it is foolish not to have the TDM team heavily involving in supporting the Runequest brand as they proven to be able to do quality work that is released on a timely basis. It not an either or situation either. Chaosium could have both but didn't which is again is a foolish decision.

For crying out loud there is a 13th age Glorantha out there being sold. There is the Heroquest rules and supplement as well. You mean to tell me that Chaosium couldn't have a Adventure in Gloranth for RQ 6 floating out there as well?

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;878458On the other hand, at least it's not Heroquest.

Yes. I see that as a plus.