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New rpg.net rules. (Forum game)

Started by The Thing, May 19, 2021, 04:04:16 PM

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Ghostmaker

"You are only allowed to question the moderators through the appropriate form, sent to the appropriate email account. This account is reviewed every other Tuesday at 4:30pm. You are not allowed to question any female-identifying moderator through the form in any way."

Oh wait, I think they actually do this. 'Holdo-ing' and etc.

Tantavalist

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 20, 2021, 03:11:23 PM
"Everyone is guilty of something. Under RPG.net moderator code section 59(d), moderators may access any RPG.net members computer at any time to carry out routine intensive investigation"

Believe it or not, this a inspired by a panel from the dystopian Judge Dredd comic.


It's not really an accurate comparison, because Dredd is more fair and even-handed than rpg.net mods.

No, that's not even a joke. The comic has shown on several occasions that Dredd at least holds to the principle that people should actually commit a crime before he punishes them. And that his actual political views are more liberal. (Seriously.)

Wntrlnd

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 20, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
"You are only allowed to question the moderators through the appropriate form, sent to the appropriate email account. This account is reviewed every other Tuesday at 4:30pm. You are not allowed to question any female-identifying moderator through the form in any way."

Oh wait, I think they actually do this. 'Holdo-ing' and etc.

That would actually be an improvement over the present: "You are not allowed to question the moderators."

wmarshal

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 20, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 20, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
"You are only allowed to question the moderators through the appropriate form, sent to the appropriate email account. This account is reviewed every other Tuesday at 4:30pm. You are not allowed to question any female-identifying moderator through the form in any way."

Oh wait, I think they actually do this. 'Holdo-ing' and etc.

That would actually be an improvement over the present: "You are not allowed to question the moderators."
I think I'm going to have to disagree. "You are not allowed to question the moderators" is a plain and concise rule to follow. The one presented by Ghostmaker is really just a trap intended to foul up any users who'd attempt to question the moderators. Wrong form, infraction! Wrong email account sent to, infraction! You question a moderator who was not publicly identifying as a female at the time the question was sent, infraction! With the rule you present it's clear to just not bother, which is why TBP will never present such a rule even though in a way that's what they want. Unfortunately, such a succinct rule as you suggested would greatly reduce their opportunities to swing the Banhammer of Virtue.

DocJones

All users must provide proof of vaccination before posting.
Posting without double masking is a banning offense.
Posters found to not wash their hands and sanitize their keyboards between posts will be banned.



The Thing

#20
Quote from: Tantavalist on May 20, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 20, 2021, 03:11:23 PM
"Everyone is guilty of something. Under RPG.net moderator code section 59(d), moderators may access any RPG.net members computer at any time to carry out routine intensive investigation"

Believe it or not, this a inspired by a panel from the dystopian Judge Dredd comic.



It's not really an accurate comparison, because Dredd is more fair and even-handed than rpg.net mods.

No, that's not even a joke. The comic has shown on several occasions that Dredd at least holds to the principle that people should actually commit a crime before he punishes them. And that his actual political views are more liberal. (Seriously.)




I agree 100% with you. Dredd was originally a parody and satire, partly of england, partly of America and also a warning against fascism.

But the character has evolved over the decades, gotten a little more grey, in more than one way.

In one storyline dredd knew a judge had murdered a woman in front of her young son but could not prove it. He kept ion eye on that judge for the rest of his life tho, and made his life tough any chance he got.

Years later the son of the woman he murdered killed that judge. Dredd was pretty sure the guy had done it and may have been able to prove it,  but decided to let it drop since it  justice department had failed to give him or his mother any justice. He'd changed from his early days.

RPG.net mods are more like the parody judge dredd from the earlier days. Even dredd evolved somewhat over time, they just devolve.

I'd say the moddisars are more like inquisitors in 40k. Especially the one to whom innocence proves nothing. When je investigates someone, they always die. If they are guilty of anything they die for that. If they are innocent he executes them for wasting him time by not appearing innocent enough to avoid him having to investigate them.


Yes, seriously.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Fyodor_Karamazov

As to another new rule i guess anyone saying positive about rpgpundit in any way, giving any of his gamers a good review, or saying anything goog about anything he has ever done would be permabanned. Since they now do retroactive bans for things that have been over for months i guess anyone ever doing a positive review of any of pundits stuff will be retroactively banned now.

Unless they already did this?



Shrieking Banshee

Quote from: Tantavalist on May 20, 2021, 04:47:49 PMNo, that's not even a joke. The comic has shown on several occasions that Dredd at least holds to the principle that people should actually commit a crime before he punishes them. And that his actual political views are more liberal. (Seriously.)

If the government of Megacity 1 suddenly became a democracy, Dredd would obey that to a T. He is an immensely principled person serving a totalitarian system.

Wntrlnd

#22
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on May 20, 2021, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Tantavalist on May 20, 2021, 04:47:49 PMNo, that's not even a joke. The comic has shown on several occasions that Dredd at least holds to the principle that people should actually commit a crime before he punishes them. And that his actual political views are more liberal. (Seriously.)

If the government of Megacity 1 suddenly became a democracy, Dredd would obey that to a T. He is an immensely principled person serving a totalitarian system.

However, that T would be his interpretation of the rules. Thats what makes Dredd the foremost of his peers. Other judges might just follow the rules like some police officer, some may bend it, others break it. But Dredd knows it is within his rights to interpret it as well.

A good example of this can be seen in the movie from 2012. (spoiler warning) Notice that Dredd tells his cadet that if she loses her primary weapon, it is an automatic fail. Naturally, Anderson gets her gun taken away from her. She knows that she has failed, but still carries on her duty as a judge until the end of the assessment.
Yet Dredd decides to let her pass. Now some people might think its because he is really a softie, or that he has fallen for her (HAHAHAHA... no) or that she just really impressed him. Or simply that she just survived.
To me its clear. Dredd gives her a pass because he choose to interpret her primary weapon to be her rare psychic powers. And she did not lose those.

Mishihari

Quote from: The Thing on May 19, 2021, 11:03:24 PM
Honestly, this is one thing rpg.net might do that i'd actually have mixed feelings on.  That religion is pretty divisive and it can get on people of other faiths nerves when someone tells them they are just as bad as say Hilter and deserve the same afterlife he deserves. Now obviously even those shitheads would not demand you forswear christ, but i could see them not allowing references to Christianity because it does preach a lot of things that are bad towards women, gays (I have a Bi relative) and pretty much all non christians in general.

And if they did it's bother me not in the least. I have seen a lot of hellurbaters (People who figuratively masturbate  to the thought  of me and other 'others" suffering eternal torture just like hitler because in the eyes of (their) god i'm exactly as bas as he is.

Yeah, that shit really offensive.


I've heard comments like this before with regard to Christianity, but I really think it's a strawman argument.  I've been a Christian my entire life, and in addition to doing my best to live by Christian principles, I attend church, go to social activities, and have served in various leadership roles, so I've met a lot of Christians.  And I have not once heard anyone express happiness that sinners will be punished.  In fact doing so goes against several Christian principles, including "love your neighbor," which has no exceptions, and "judge not, that thou be not judged."  And if you actually have met people who say such things, all I can say is that it's not reasonable to judge a belief set by the behavior of folks who profess to follow it but actually don't.

Crawford Tillinghast

Guys, I think we're pushing close to the politics line again.
That said, if you google "+Jesus "did I stutter" ", then select images, there are some pretty good and relevant variants of Christ's sermon.
I'll drag it back to topic with these:

1) Any posters who post "Put Christ Back in Christmas"
(You know, like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, visiting the shut in) Will be permabanned.

2a)
Quote from: Tantavalist on May 19, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
"To facilitate free and open debate on subjects that are known to be Problematic we are unveiling what we call the Lovecraft rule. Any user who makes a post referencing HP Lovecraft..."

2b) The Trump rule:  Any post re DJT must begin with a vehement dislike of Trump.  Not agreement, not disagreement, not just distaste, but actual vehemence.  Anything less is grounds for a permaban.

3)  Comparing ICE detainment centers to Nazi death camps is acceptable and encouraged.  Comparing ICE centers to Roosevelt era Japanese-American interment camps is bannable.

4) We prefer to think that the Pro-Life movement is made of up weirdos who have a strange need to run other peoples lives.  Any post explaining Pro-Life positions will be treated as a group attack.  (Happened to me six years ago, welcome to the club).

5)  The George Floyd Demonstrations were NOT riots.  The RPGnet position is that Black business owners voluntarily donated their wares to redistributionists, then torched their business as part of the protests against Floyd's death.  Anyone posting otherwise will be premabanned for racism.

Shrieking Banshee

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 21, 2021, 03:52:37 AMHowever, that T would be his interpretation of the rules.
Sure, sure. The man is more a force of nature or a (LAW of nature) than a person.
But nah, he can be a softie sometimes. Such as when he actually lets an old man bury his wife instead of recycling her. And pays off the bill at his dime. The old man went directly to cube right after, but Dredd isn't SOULLESS.
So I could believe he would let Anderson succeed because he felt the bureaucracy was getting in the way.

In a way, Dredd is generally a good person who serves a generally bad and stupid system. If they didn't make near everything illegal, then maybe the judges taxed resources could be used on stopping their super criminals instead of chasing people with one to many goldfish in a fish bowl.

The Thing

Quote from: Crawford Tillinghast on May 21, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Guys, I think we're pushing close to the politics line again.
That said, if you google "+Jesus "did I stutter" ", then select images, there are some pretty good and relevant variants of Christ's sermon.
I'll drag it back to topic with these:

1) Any posters who post "Put Christ Back in Christmas"
(You know, like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, visiting the shut in) Will be permabanned.

2a)
Quote from: Tantavalist on May 19, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
"To facilitate free and open debate on subjects that are known to be Problematic we are unveiling what we call the Lovecraft rule. Any user who makes a post referencing HP Lovecraft..."

2b) The Trump rule:  Any post re DJT must begin with a vehement dislike of Trump.  Not agreement, not disagreement, not just distaste, but actual vehemence.  Anything less is grounds for a permaban.

3)  Comparing ICE detainment centers to Nazi death camps is acceptable and encouraged.  Comparing ICE centers to Roosevelt era Japanese-American interment camps is bannable.

4) We prefer to think that the Pro-Life movement is made of up weirdos who have a strange need to run other peoples lives.  Any post explaining Pro-Life positions will be treated as a group attack.  (Happened to me six years ago, welcome to the club).

5)  The George Floyd Demonstrations were NOT riots.  The RPGnet position is that Black business owners voluntarily donated their wares to redistributionists, then torched their business as part of the protests against Floyd's death.  Anyone posting otherwise will be premabanned for racism.

In all fairness making only posts about trump that are negative has an appeal to me, but i think it is unfair to other people, and unlike the  rpg.net moddisars i can admit other people actually exist.

Yeah, when they permaed a guy for working for ICE, honestly that seemed close to illegal in some way.


Also they violate their own rules about group attacks as they claim all police are badwrong and cannot be defended. Yeah, hypocrisy much, cocksuckers?


As to a new rop.net rule, i suppose they will create a special new system requiring you to have an access device with fingerprint technology, that is rewritten to recognize lip prints instead of fingerprints. and  to log in you must use it to press your lips to the picture of a randomly selected mods ass as a form of i.d.

(I'm surprised  american corporations don't have this already.)

Ghostmaker

Quote from: The Thing on May 21, 2021, 05:13:04 PM

Yeah, when they permaed a guy for working for ICE, honestly that seemed close to illegal in some way.
Not necessarily illegal -- it's a private forum. But it did strike me as profoundly asinine and dishonest. The fact they were flagging immigration authorities as a hate group? Yeah. They're stupid.


QuoteAlso they violate their own rules about group attacks as they claim all police are badwrong and cannot be defended. Yeah, hypocrisy much, cocksuckers?
They've been doing that for a while, really. Ever since they declared any support for the prior Trump administration as verboten, they only come down on it if it devolves into full on revenge fantasy/violence fantasy (which is not surprising as that's a great way to get a Secret Service visit).

But yes, they are hypocrites. Tanka's unintentionally hilarious screeching over a 'problematic' anime (Shield Hero) forced some wild side-stepping and dancing on the parts of staff.


QuoteAs to a new rop.net rule, i suppose they will create a special new system requiring you to have an access device with fingerprint technology, that is rewritten to recognize lip prints instead of fingerprints. and  to log in you must use it to press your lips to the picture of a randomly selected mods ass as a form of i.d.

(I'm surprised  american corporations don't have this already.)
Only the woke-infested ones. The ones who are interested in actually making money don't give a fuck :D

The Thing

Quote from: Crawford Tillinghast on May 21, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Guys, I think we're pushing close to the politics line again.
That said, if you google "+Jesus "did I stutter" ", then select images, there are some pretty good and relevant variants of Christ's sermon.
I'll drag it back to topic with these:

1) Any posters who post "Put Christ Back in Christmas"
(You know, like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, visiting the shut in) Will be permabanned.

2a)
Quote from: Tantavalist on May 19, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
"To facilitate free and open debate on subjects that are known to be Problematic we are unveiling what we call the Lovecraft rule. Any user who makes a post referencing HP Lovecraft..."

2b) The Trump rule:  Any post re DJT must begin with a vehement dislike of Trump.  Not agreement, not disagreement, not just distaste, but actual vehemence.  Anything less is grounds for a permaban.

3)  Comparing ICE detainment centers to Nazi death camps is acceptable and encouraged.  Comparing ICE centers to Roosevelt era Japanese-American interment camps is bannable.

4) We prefer to think that the Pro-Life movement is made of up weirdos who have a strange need to run other peoples lives.  Any post explaining Pro-Life positions will be treated as a group attack.  (Happened to me six years ago, welcome to the club).

5)  The George Floyd Demonstrations were NOT riots.  The RPGnet position is that Black business owners voluntarily donated their wares to redistributionists, then torched their business as part of the protests against Floyd's death.  Anyone posting otherwise will be premabanned for racism.

These guys are all for BLM protesters expressing their views. Ok, how would they feel if people who were pro police or relatives of police killed in the line of duty decided to protest outside the houses of, say, shannon applecline and darren maclennan, against their 'you cannot defend police they are always wrong" policy? or maybe protest in front of the office of the server rpg.net is on?

The Thing

#29
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 21, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Quote from: The Thing on May 21, 2021, 05:13:04 PM

Yeah, when they permaed a guy for working for ICE, honestly that seemed close to illegal in some way.
Not necessarily illegal -- it's a private forum. But it did strike me as profoundly asinine and dishonest. The fact they were flagging immigration authorities as a hate group? Yeah. They're stupid.


Speaking of flagging ICE as a hate group, has rpg.net even flagged nation of islam as a hate group? I would bet not, which is weird given nation of islam is kinda like scientology and radical islam had a baby that preached that the white race is evil and will be exterminated by a giant flying saucer with hundreds of nuclear bombs on board it that is currently orbiting earth with the long dead founder of nation of islam on board it along with mohammed and allah.

No, i'm not making that up but honestly can't blame you if you thought that i was. Read the wiki on nation of islam, yakib and the mother plane.