In our latest episode, Venger, Jobe, and myself talk about the new woke virtue-signalling (and firing) from Wizards of the Coast!
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I can think of specific characters from Deities and Demigods that are now considered inappropriate, such as the Norse and Greek gods, as small sects of wiccans worship them and take themselves seriously. Still I like using the gods from Deities and Demigods over the ones that were specifically made up for Dungeons & Dragons.
If a D&D 6E happens, I promise you it will be The Woke Edition.
I like 3.5, I don't like buying new books to replace old books and 3.5 in the most versatile version in my opinion, and also the fact that I know the core rulebooks inside and outside, monsters, npcs, and pcs all have the same format. D&D really doesn't get dated, what was medeaval fantasy back then still is medeaval fantasy now, whereas science fiction gets dated quite rapidly. I don't know why D&D has so many versions. How about the Monopoly boardgame, there is only one version of that. I really want them writing new adventures instead of the Core Rule Books, I don't want to have to buy them over and over again! I don't want 21st century fads and trends in my D&D games.
Quote from: Razor 007;1135714If a D&D 6E happens, I promise you it will be The Woke Edition.
It's a shame because that would probably split the fans into two camps, neither of which would buy it. On one hand, you have the people that just aren't into the woke stuff. On the other, the true woke believers who probably think whatever 6e would be is done better in some FATE or Dungeon World product.
Or simply see all the work as free for distribution and never buy it at all. Liberals always think they're entitled to everyone else's work for free.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1135736It's a shame because that would probably split the fans into two camps, neither of which would buy it. On one hand, you have the people that just aren't into the woke stuff. On the other, the true woke believers who probably think whatever 6e would be is done better in some FATE or Dungeon World product.
That is a corporation for you, D&D was better off under TSR than Hasbro, a large faceless corporation. The Corporates are well insulated from their customer base and play the political game instead!
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135795That is a corporation for you, D&D was better off under TSR than Hasbro, a large faceless corporation. The Corporates are well insulated from their customer base and play the political game instead!
I don't think Hasbro's the issue--I think it was the shift in corporate culture from a fairly middle-of-the-road midwestern operation like TSR to the Seattle-born and bred, self-consciously progressive Wizards of the Coast that caused the major change.
Big Chungus in a box or we riot! :mad: :p (I love eventual youtube pet popularity as a tax upon channels. :D)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1135796I don't think Hasbro's the issue--I think it was the shift in corporate culture from a fairly middle-of-the-road midwestern operation like TSR to the Seattle-born and bred, self-consciously progressive Wizards of the Coast that caused the major change.
Are the majority of players a bunch of blacks that want to play orc and drow characters?
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135846Are the majority of players a bunch of blacks that want to play orc and drow characters?
Not sure what that has to do with the point. But I would note that Paizo is sprung from ex-WotC folks in the same location, is
not answerable to a corporate master, and is even more outspokenly left-wing.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1135848Not sure what that has to do with the point. But I would note that Paizo is sprung from ex-WotC folks in the same location, is not answerable to a corporate master, and is even more outspokenly left-wing.
So the
real problem is that they're all from the Pacific northwest...
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1135848Not sure what that has to do with the point. But I would note that Paizo is sprung from ex-WotC folks in the same location, is not answerable to a corporate master, and is even more outspokenly left-wing.
There is nothing inherently left-wing about Dungeons & Dragons, the people who play the game don't lean in any particular direction, and they don't care about the politics of the game designers or writers, even more frustrating for the writers is D&D has no built in setting, and without that the game designers have no particular avenue to push their politics on to their customers, a lot of them like to make up their own game world's rather than play in the official ones. There are a lot of tools for making one's own game world's, and they can be as conservative or as liberal as the DM wants it to be.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1135854So the real problem is that they're all from the Pacific northwest...
Could be, look at what's happening in Seattle!
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1135848Not sure what that has to do with the point. But I would note that Paizo is sprung from ex-WotC folks in the same location, is not answerable to a corporate master, and is even more outspokenly left-wing.
The Wuhan virus has really done a number on them. Its sad really.
Quote from: Shasarak;1135865The Wuhan virus has really done a number on them. Its sad really.
Maybe we need a conservative RPG company using 3.5. Seems the left is good at rising to the top of the corporate world while trying to abolish it! Back in the 1980s, I never would have envisioned corporate communism and billionaire bolsheviks. They sound like oxymoron to me! We live in age of oxymoron, the people who should be supporting capitalism because they are so successful at it are opposing it!
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135870Maybe we need a conservative RPG company using 3.5. Seems the left is good at rising to the top of the corporate world while trying to abolish it! Back in the 1980s, I never would have envisioned corporate communism and billionaire bolsheviks. They sound like oxymoron to me! We live in age of oxymoron, the people who should be supporting capitalism because they are so successful at it are opposing it!
I think it's more about taking away the ladder so others can't climb it and moral grand standing sprinkled wit the erroneous thought that if they appease the monster well enough it won't eat them.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135879I think it's more about taking away the ladder so others can't climb it and moral grand standing sprinkled wit the erroneous thought that if they appease the monster well enough it won't eat them.
What monster? The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, I remember it, we live in a capitalist world, I'm surprised that successful capitalists would want to bring back something that failed so miserably! The system created them and they want to go to 5-year plans, duh I've never seen so many stupid billionaires in my life! George Soros knows how to play the markets and make billions yet wants to set up a socialist system where you can't do that, he wants to set up a Brezhnev era Soviet style system where incompetent autocrats can rule and tell all the smarter people below them what to do or else go to jail!
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135890What monster? The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, I remember it, we live in a capitalist world, I'm surprised that successful capitalists would want to bring back something that failed so miserably! The system created them and they want to go to 5-year plans, duh I've never seen so many stupid billionaires in my life! George Soros knows how to play the markets and make billions yet wants to set up a socialist system where you can't do that, he wants to set up a Brezhnev era Soviet style system where incompetent autocrats can rule and tell all the smarter people below them what to do or else go to jail!
I once knew a guy in Oslo that was, we'll say
very anti-capitalist. Almost violently so. And yet he owned and operated no fewer than four business throughout the city. One of the most baffling human beings I'd ever met.
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135890What monster? The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, I remember it, we live in a capitalist world, I'm surprised that successful capitalists would want to bring back something that failed so miserably! The system created them and they want to go to 5-year plans, duh I've never seen so many stupid billionaires in my life! George Soros knows how to play the markets and make billions yet wants to set up a socialist system where you can't do that, he wants to set up a Brezhnev era Soviet style system where incompetent autocrats can rule and tell all the smarter people below them what to do or else go to jail!
The online mob, the IRL mob, the media, "academia" and left politicians, THAT monster.
Yeah puzzling, these guys like to be online, they favor the Soviet system of government, yet the Soviets failed to make many personal computers, they didn't want their citizens online and communicating with the rest of the World outside of Soviet censors and propaganda. The internet was supposed to be about freedom, and instead some of the people on it are hankering for the old Soviet system of state controls, a failed system. And they want for follow in the footsteps of the USSR and end up in the same place that Russia is now, a weak shadow of its former self. I'll never understand why people want to be like Russia, yet they don't want to go their and experience it for themselves. They want to turn the United States into Russia instead of going to Russia. They don't have to subvert an entire country if they just go to Russia, all they have to do is learn to speak Russian and they can wallow in the misery that is Russia. Why do leftists come to the United States when they really want Russia? Einstein came to the United States and he was a socialist, was he lost of something?
That was because it was stupid Russian Socialism, not Woke American Socialism which will be 100 times betterer with bread lines for everyone!
Quote from: RPGPundit;1135585In our latest episode, Venger, Jobe, and myself talk about the new woke virtue-signalling (and firing) from Wizards of the Coast!
[video=youtube_share;42iGTifFwDU]https://youtu.be/42iGTifFwDU[/youtube]
I have never been so glad to find a website as I was this one.
Fantastic. Really nice to see dissenting opinion (non-woke bullshit) have equal footing.
I am am a refugee from other forums. Glad to see there is real freedom of discussion here. Keep up the coolness.
Quote from: Shasarak;1135932That was because it was stupid Russian Socialism, not Woke American Socialism which will be 100 times betterer with bread lines for everyone!
Americans aren't so special, we just had a more fortunate history than some other countries like Russia. Russia should have been a great country, they had everything going for them, the German Kaiser was afraid of them, that is why he started World War I, but then the Russians had to try communism and it ruined their country!
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1136166Americans aren't so special, we just had a more fortunate history than some other countries like Russia. Russia should have been a great country, they had everything going for them, the German Kaiser was afraid of them, that is why he started World War I, but then the Russians had to try communism and it ruined their country!
Well yes, both you and I realise that.
But the Wokesters think that the only reason that it failed was because it was not done correctly. I like the old saying:
Communist: You can not make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.
Everybody: So where is the omelet?
For a couple years when I was young I was educated in a charter school. I remember my teacher discussing Communism with the class and explaining that it had never really been tried before and was a viable form of government.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1135854So the real problem is that they're all from the Pacific northwest...
You may be on to something!!!
If this has already been posted, my apologies.
I thought others might find this interesting. Much of the turmoil lately has been based on critical race theory which is simply philosophical opinion. As to data related to racism and D&D there are other dissenting opinions.
Enjoy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/checkpoints/202004/no-orcs-arent-racist%3famp
Quote from: Shasarak;1136170Well yes, both you and I realise that.
But the Wokesters think that the only reason that it failed was because it was not done correctly. I like the old saying:
Communist: You can not make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.
Everybody: So where is the omelet?
So in other words, they have a learning disability, they cannot learn from the over one hundred years of experiments on socialism and communism, they are like mad scientists in white lab coats looking for human subjects to try their latest experiments on. The biggest challenge is to keep the USSR dead and not undead, no more commie zombies!
Quote from: Warpiglet;1136087I have never been so glad to find a website as I was this one.
Fantastic. Really nice to see dissenting opinion (non-woke bullshit) have equal footing.
I am am a refugee from other forums. Glad to see there is real freedom of discussion here. Keep up the coolness.
Thank you very much. Welcome to theRPGsite!
I'll remind everyone that we have rules about not going off-topic from the gaming hobby into wider political discussion on any thread in the main forum. From here on in anyone who does so will be banned.