There's a similar thread over at ENWorld, in which some writer apologizes to Whizbros for his 'intemperate' comments over changes to the Realms; now he's writing for 'goose Trav, and is seeing how people react when he's the one messing with canon.

In that thread, I commented that in my opinion, one of the ways to approach canon revisions is to go with the grain, rather than across it or against it. If you want to make a change, then make the change with the flow of the setting, rather than ham-handedly retconning it. Want to make the Church of Stellar Divinity the force behind the throne? Build up to it through several works, make it a new facet of what's already known about both the Imperial power structure and the CSD - don't just up and announce, "The Emperor is really a CSD sockpuppet.

(As an aside, my comment on ENWorld was deleted by a mod, apparently because I used the word "dickish" in replying to someone who referred to gamers who object to canon changes as "dicks." They amended the original comment to read "jerks" instead of "dicks," but deleted mine outright. Given my reply to the moderator in question, I'm probably banned by now.)

Quote from: KenHR;309134It's pretty hard to read that post in context and not see it as a joke.  A bad one, but a joke, nonetheless.

Yeah, I went back and found the original post, and he was tweaking S4 and Whipsnade's nose. What a surprise.

Nonetheless, I have seen industry folks pull just this kind of hissy fit for real over a minority of whiners online. See: early Paizo, before they canned Johny whathisbucket.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;309313Yeah, I went back and found the original post, and he was tweaking S4 and Whipsnade's nose. What a surprise.

Nonetheless, I have seen industry folks pull just this kind of hissy fit for real over a minority of whiners online. See: early Paizo, before they canned Johny whathisbucket.

Yes it was a joke but one that in hindsight Matt should have seen that certain members of CotI would get upset about.
I actually agree with Hunters post when Matt made a followup post after Hunter locked at thread - his board his rules, no problems from an admin POV.

Quote from: Roger Calver;309315Yes it was a joke but one that in hindsight Matt should have seen that certain members of CotI would get upset about.
I actually agree with Hunters post when Matt made a followup post after Hunter locked at thread - his board his rules, no problems from an admin POV.

Yes, Matt did himself no favors by posting that.  Though again, if S4 had been able to see the Vargr post as the obvious (and funny) joke it was....

But in the end, Matt didn't have to do what he did.

I agree he should have reported S4 to the admin/mod team, IMHO S4 should have been banned for his "lie" thread.

Banning the Bitter Non-Gamers on CotI is like banning BNGs on rpg.net. They can do it, but it takes a fucking long time and dozens of others tired of fruitless and frustrating interactions with them will have been banned from or abandoned the forum in the meantime.

Quote from: Roger Calver;309324I agree he should have reported S4 to the admin/mod team, IMHO S4 should have been banned for his "lie" thread.

That was discussed... and ultimately rejected.

Quote from: aramis;309354That was discussed... and ultimately rejected.

Hmmm, no comment :banghead:

The Traveller OTU and approved cannon are pretty much a mish mash of illogical crap anyway, so  changing it really will not matter (and would probably improve it a great deal), and those over at COTI complaining about it don't even play MGT (they are still arguing over errors made 30 years ago in the first printing of the LBBs) so they can be safely ignored. MGT brought some needed improvements to the system (mostly cleanup, organization and clarifications) and they really need to take a sledgehammer and blow torch to the OTU or scrap it completly and use their own universe.

Well said!
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Quote from: RockViper;309426The Traveller OTU and approved cannon are pretty much a mish mash of illogical crap anyway, so  changing it really will not matter (and would probably improve it a great deal), and those over at COTI complaining about it don't even play MGT (they are still arguing over errors made 30 years ago in the first printing of the LBBs) so they can be safely ignored. MGT brought some needed improvements to the system (mostly cleanup, organization and clarifications) and they really need to take a sledgehammer and blow torch to the OTU or scrap it completly and use their own universe.

This post is composed of steel-jacketed depleted bollocks.

Really, you would be hard pressed to add anything to this that would make me think it wasn't typed up by a room full of monkeys on meth.

Um really, isn't the official version of Traveller basically "Traveller: the New Era"? That's the original setting, before (in rebellion to how much it sucked) people retconned most of the events associated with it and created other versions of the setting.

So really, anyone who isn't defending TNE is actually violating Canon anyways. And anyone who is defending TNE is an idiot. Either way, I'd say Traveller is the LAST game for which people should issue complaints about "violation of Canon".

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Quote from: RPGPundit;309441Um really, isn't the official version of Traveller basically "Traveller: the New Era"? That's the original setting, before (in rebellion to how much it sucked) people retconned most of the events associated with it and created other versions of the setting.

So really, anyone who isn't defending TNE is actually violating Canon anyways. And anyone who is defending TNE is an idiot. Either way, I'd say Traveller is the LAST game for which people should issue complaints about "violation of Canon".

That's the hilarity for me.  

Here you have a bunch of people whining and moaning about one of the tiniest changes I've ever seen to canon, while they themselves have to ignore entire versions of the game that were played for years in order to have their version of canon.  A canon which is basically defined as "whatever Marc thinks is canon this week, assuming he doesn't change his mind later, though we pretend the guy doesn't contradict himself all the time and that Oceania has always been at war with East Asia anyways".  

It's patently absurd and deliciously ironic.

Quote from: The Shaman;309439This post is composed of steel-jacketed depleted bollocks.

Really, you would be hard pressed to add anything to this that would make me think it wasn't typed up by a room full of monkeys on meth.

I rest my case

Quote from: RockViper;309503I rest my case

Gald you had fun with that.

On a more serious note, something I've noticed is that critics of Traveller can say anything they like, however they like, but if someone defends that canon, they are immediately set-upon as exemplfying everything that is terrible about the game and its fans.

So thanks for making that point for me.

Now, on to the real question. Why do you think the setting is so bad? What would you change, and why?