Anyone heard any news on the new edition of Deadlands Reloaded hinted about this year?
Guess not
Quote from: rgrove0172;1078731Guess not
They only just closed the Deadlands Noir card game Kickstarter, so I'd expect we'll be seeing the new Deadlands kickstarter in the next few months.
Man... all of a sudden blood left my Primary Brain... and my Secondary Brain came online... all happy and ready to go.
I think they will ship out the new core book before doing another KS.
I went and pre-ordered the KS box set. I really like what I'm reading in SWADE and I look forward to the Deadlands reboot. Always loved that setting but only ever bought the GURPS books.
Are they using the original rules, or are they doing some other kind of fuckwittery?
Quote from: RPGPundit;1079783Are they using the original rules, or are they doing some other kind of fuckwittery?
It will be for the current edition of Savage Worlds not Deadlands Classic (which they still sell and have no reason to ever make a new edition for)
Quote from: Rhedyn;1079793It will be for the current edition of Savage Worlds not Deadlands Classic (which they still sell and have no reason to ever make a new edition for)
I was skeptical - but all the changes (except for the Shaken rules) have been good ones and I feel it's justified. Anything that will need to be tweaked can be handled in Setting rules within the specific setting.
Obviously nothing prevents anyone from the using the old edition which is just fine. Plus they made a document that shows all the changes. So technically you don't have to spend a dime.
Quote from: tenbones;1079808I was skeptical - but all the changes (except for the Shaken rules) have been good ones and I feel it's justified. Anything that will need to be tweaked can be handled in Setting rules within the specific setting.
Obviously nothing prevents anyone from the using the old edition which is just fine. Plus they made a document that shows all the changes. So technically you don't have to spend a dime.
I meant specifically there is no reason to revise the Deadlands Classic rule-books which are a different system than Savage Worlds.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1079821I meant specifically there is no reason to revise the Deadlands Classic rule-books which are a different system than Savage Worlds.
Gotcha! I need to look at that edition.
I prefer SW to classic deadlands. Sure, classic is dripping with flavor. However, the magic system is way to severe. To the point that playing one is a masochistic exercise in near-kitschy failure. I do however love the setting.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1079793It will be for the current edition of Savage Worlds not Deadlands Classic (which they still sell and have no reason to ever make a new edition for)
So, fuckwittery then.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1081221So, fuckwittery then.
Given that the new edition earned over half a million on Kickstarter, it's hard to characterize it as a bad move from a business perspective.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1081234Given that the new edition earned over half a million on Kickstarter, it's hard to characterize it as a bad move from a business perspective.
Seconded and why I sometimes am embarrassed to be a member of the hobby. Leave it to gamers to call a Kickstarter that funded in the amount of half a million a "failure" . Yet when it's theur favored rpg company no matter how terrible said rpg company treats their fans, or worse are not able to even remotely kick start a similar amount . No matter what anyone telks them that company is "success".
Given how wrong Pundit has been many times I take what he says on rpg failures with a continent sized grain of salt. Tje more time passes the more it seems like anyone that is more successful than Pundit he takes takes a dump on. Maybe it's jealously who knows.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1081221So, fuckwittery then.
Considering you can run the previous Deadlands Reloaded in the new system and new edition also includes the timeline progressing, then no, I would not consider it anything like that.
It's more Deadlands content that also happens to be updated to the most current revision of the core rule book (meanwhile the last version came out 2 editions ago)
Quote from: sureshot;1081235Given how wrong Pundit has been many times I take what he says on rpg failures with a continent sized grain of salt. Tje more time passes the more it seems like anyone that is more successful than Pundit he takes takes a dump on. Maybe it's jealously who knows.
I think it's more that Pundit doesn't like Savage Worlds, ergo, the dismissive attitude. How
dare we puny peons care for systems that have not received the endorsement of the Evil High Priest of the OSR and his infernal masters! ;)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1081243I think it's more that Pundit doesn't like Savage Worlds, ergo, the dismissive attitude. How dare we puny peons care for systems that have not received the endorsement of the Evil High Priest of the OSR and his infernal masters! ;)
Well, the few mechanics that OSR finds essential, Savage Worlds doesn't have and is more crunchy than most OSR or OSR adjacent games (if not all of them).
So yeah, probably an anathema to him or anyone else that needs HP and classes in an RPG.
While I understand not liking Savage Worlds it just seems textbook Grongnard to constantly attack rpgs ones does mot like. While I dislike PB and Kevin S. I don't dislike or like their rpg rules. Neither will I go into every Savage Rifts thread or even just regular Rifts thread and continually say it's crap.
I think it's the Bennys.
I'm not a huge fan of the Benny-system, personally. But I don't think it's a big deal. I've been playing FASERIP since the 80's and the Karma system is far more specific in terms of letting an out of character currency system LITERALLY impact the mechanics of the game - yet I believe people consider that an OSR game (correct me if I'm wrong - in which case does that make FASERIP a swine-system too)?
So beyond the Benny-system... not sure what the issue is with Savage Worlds. I would be pretty surprised to hear it *was* HP/Classes... but then it would just mean that person has no fucking clue about how SW works or plays.
Honestly - *ALL* of these things are in Classic Deadlands. Fate chips, Wound systems, and 99% of what is now Savage Worlds, the only things that have changed is they folded a lot of the mechanical crunch into a more simplified task-resolution system. If anything, Deadlands Reloaded is *closer* to being like BESMI than Classic Deadlands is to 5e by analogy.
what am I missing?
Quote from: tenbones;1081270what am I missing?
I think you are missing how much some people like/need classes as a thematic strength and how many people need to whittle off some HP each round to feel like they did something.
I am right with you, it doesn't "make sense" to me personally, but I know flesh and blood people with generally sensible opinions/beliefs that just really like classes. It's a neat little bundle that tells you, "I am playing this". It comes with niche protection, flavorful abilities, and thematic baggage.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1081275I think you are missing how much some people like/need classes as a thematic strength and how many people need to whittle off some HP each round to feel like they did something.
I am right with you, it doesn't "make sense" to me personally, but I know flesh and blood people with generally sensible opinions/beliefs that just really like classes. It's a neat little bundle that tells you, "I am playing this". It comes with niche protection, flavorful abilities, and thematic baggage.
Right. But insofar as Pundit considers SW twaddle, while liking Classic Deadlands... seems odd, especially given that OSR systems tend to be lighter (certainly FAR lighter mechanically than Classic Deadlands). And DLR is certainly lighter than Classic with all of the same narrative systems still in play.
I don't even think the differences are remotely greater than say - 4e D&D and 5e D&D. Where I have the reaction to 4e (don't like it at all) while 5e is whatever.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1081275I think you are missing how much some people like/need classes as a thematic strength...
Absolutely. I think this is where GURPS shines with templates and lenses. I imagine you could do something similar with Savage Worlds. That way, those who need a little more thematic direction can start with a template while the customizers can start from scratch.
Quote from: trechriron;1081324Absolutely. I think this is where GURPS shines with templates and lenses. I imagine you could do something similar with Savage Worlds. That way, those who need a little more thematic direction can start with a template while the customizers can start from scratch.
Savage RIfts already did this. Juicers, Cyborgs, Leyline Walkers and such start off fairly limited in customization but with a a lot built-in. On the other hand, mercenaries, scholars, scientists, and the rest start off with little hard-coded and a lot of free choices.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1081329Savage RIfts already did this. Juicers, Cyborgs, Leyline Walkers and such start off fairly limited in customization but with a a lot built-in. On the other hand, mercenaries, scholars, scientists, and the rest start off with little hard-coded and a lot of free choices.
Good call. Those "Iconic Frameworks" literally are the answer to the argument about classes in "classless" systems. The M.A.R.S. tables are *FANTASTIC* - arguably every bit as solid as the Iconic Frameworks.
Quote from: tenbones;1081427Good call. Those "Iconic Frameworks" literally are the answer to the argument about classes in "classless" systems. The M.A.R.S. tables are *FANTASTIC* - arguably every bit as solid as the Iconic Frameworks.
Savage Rifts managed to cover a ridiculous amount of Rifts content.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1081431Savage Rifts managed to cover a ridiculous amount of Rifts content.
I'm using it as my "North Star" for my ridonculous Fantasy-Game-Designed-To-Go-God-Mode. I've currently adapted the Cyber-Knight into a lower-scaled version of the "Psychic Warrior" that will scale into full Cyber-Knightish glory (sans the cybernetics which will likely become "magical enhancements").
It's a testament to SW that it could take Rifts and make it work so well. I largely feel that it was the capstone that sold me on the system. The scalability and flexibility WITH very little tweaking necessary has caused its stock-value to rise quickly at my table. It's not perfect. But for my time constraints and the games I'm currently running - it's hard to beat as my go-to choice.