Quote from: Festus on April 04, 2023, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Zalman on April 04, 2023, 04:20:26 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
it has like a total of like a $200,000 budget

I think you're missing a few zeros there!

The movie cost $151 million to make. Grossed $38 million on its opening weekend, which puts it on track to lose big money. So by industry standards it's a commercial flop. No idea what percentage of that opening weekend audience were gamers vs. general public.

To add to this, the budget usually doesn't include marketing. I do know my cousin who doesnt game at all wants to see it so i think its partially popular with non-games. Though i like to believe, probably falsely, the old d&d movie turned the brand into box office poison

Quote from: Slambo on April 04, 2023, 08:07:17 PM

Quote from: Festus on April 04, 2023, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Zalman on April 04, 2023, 04:20:26 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
it has like a total of like a $200,000 budget

I think you're missing a few zeros there!

The movie cost $151 million to make. Grossed $38 million on its opening weekend, which puts it on track to lose big money. So by industry standards it's a commercial flop. No idea what percentage of that opening weekend audience were gamers vs. general public.

To add to this, the budget usually doesn't include marketing. I do know my cousin who doesnt game at all wants to see it so i think its partially popular with non-games. Though i like to believe, probably falsely, the old d&d movie turned the brand into box office poison

When they make D&D movies, they seem compelled to play them as campy, like 70's Hollywood did with Superhero movies.

But D&D is actually supposed to have ridiculous components, but be played completely straight, like the '88/Nolan Batman movies.

Quote from: Zalman on April 04, 2023, 04:20:26 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
it has like a total of like a $200,000 budget

I think you're missing a few zeros there!

Yeah you are right.  I meant $200,000.,000.

Quote from: Festus on April 04, 2023, 04:36:59 PM
The movie cost $151 million to make. Grossed $38 million on its opening weekend, which puts it on track to lose big money. So by industry standards it's a commercial flop. No idea what percentage of that opening weekend audience were gamers vs. general public.

Plus they put in a lot for advertising.  Not sure if the number is correct but I heard $100 million for ads.  Still has a way to go before it breaks even.

TFW a Brazilian car commercial looks and feels more like D&D than any official D&D live action movie ever.

It's funny, I watched Dungeon Craft's review of the film, wherein he explains that one reason the movie will tank is because people don't forgive WoTC for the OGL debacle so quickly. People including himself, apparently, as he goes into an extended rant about how evil and untrustworthy WoTC is and how no way he's going to forgive them so soon ...

... in a video reviewing the WoTC movie he (presumably) just paid to watch.

Quote from: Venka on April 04, 2023, 04:22:27 PM
The creative commons license represented an almost complete capitulation on the issue.  As regards 5e specifically, it was far more than anyone could have hoped- the entire SRD, along with all the words they were hoping to threaten people with, such as "Owlbear", being placed into an irrevocable license with NO conditions now or in the future.

It's a complete and total loss on behalf of whatever faction was trying to get this done, and they can't come back to it later because the CC license is totally permanent.

So if someone was perfectly fine with WotC until then, I would very much expect they would be perfectly fine with them now.  It would be irrational for someone saying "I'm not going to see the movie or buy the products because of the OGL thing!" to continue that boycott after achieving what amounts to an absolute and total victory.

Almost being the key word. They said they were considering putting SRD 3.5 under CC-BY 4.0, but I guess on seeing that the storm had calmed sufficiently they scrapped that idea, since it was no longer necessary. Anyone who released a product under the OGL with SRD 3.5 should still consider combing through it and updating it to only rely on SRD 5.1.

I'm not going, but for reasons that have nothing to do with the OGL fiasco or the changes to D&D.  They boil down to "D&D has nothing to inform what the movie is unlike, say a Dragonlance movie would and give the price of theater tickets I need something really compelling to get me to pay for it."

Will probably watch a friend's BluRay when that drops.

That said, despite being the book office winner for last weekend, it is underperforming in terms of expectation (about 55% of what was anticipated prior to the OGL stupidity for opening weekend). The most positive review I've heard said, "Not quite as good as the original Conan movie".

If this was to be the start of a profitable franchise, that first Conan movie was the minimal bar. The real bar was probably much higher. That and probably not making money until foreign release (you start making money at about twice the budget for the actual film is a good rule of thumb) mean even with these numbers it's a failure.

Quote from: Festus on April 04, 2023, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Zalman on April 04, 2023, 04:20:26 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
it has like a total of like a $200,000 budget

I think you're missing a few zeros there!

The movie cost $151 million to make. Grossed $38 million on its opening weekend, which puts it on track to lose big money. So by industry standards it's a commercial flop. No idea what percentage of that opening weekend audience were gamers vs. general public.

I'm betting more general public.

Last night at trivia we had a question "what box office winning movie this weekend is based on a game."

We missed it. I said the new Tetris movie. Why? I have seen ads for it constantly but not a one to remind me the D&D movie had come out. You'd think given my internet history targeted ads pushing D&D would be all over my browsing, but no.

That tells me no real effort was made to advertise to the game's fanbase. I think long term that will cost them.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on April 04, 2023, 04:46:14 PM
I'm still boycotting WotC and I'm not going to the movie, but they are only tangentially related.  Because I wouldn't go to the movie anyway. I probably won't even watch it 5 years from now when it's long been on the Blu-Ray bargain rack, but who knows.  I might end up sitting in a room when it's on, and end up not leaving for some reason. 

Not the best person to ask, since I pretty much hate everything that Hollywood does now.

While I will probably watch the BluRay I might not. I have never watched the other one.

Quote from: Effete on April 04, 2023, 05:38:26 PM

Quote from: Festus on April 04, 2023, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Zalman on April 04, 2023, 04:20:26 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
it has like a total of like a $200,000 budget

I think you're missing a few zeros there!

The movie cost $151 million to make. Grossed $38 million on its opening weekend, which puts it on track to lose big money. So by industry standards it's a commercial flop. No idea what percentage of that opening weekend audience were gamers vs. general public.

The $38M is domestic (US & Canada) sales, which was on the high end of the studio's projected $30-40M opening box office. The film made over $70M worldwide opening weekend, and is now projected to double that by next week based on the favorable reception. At the very least the film will break even.

The estimates now. Go into the archives 2-3 months and the projections were twice that.

The preview was so cringeworthy & stupid I knew there was no reason to watch it.  Lame jokes at every turn.  Dialogue written for 6 year olds.  Hamfisted Forgotten Realms lore insertions.  Something designed for elementary school intellects like J. Scott Garibay to enjoy.  And what was up with the Led Zeppelin music?  Even if you were going to use Zeppelin, why that particular song as opposed to stuff inspired by Tolkien?

Quote from: Batjon on April 04, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
Are the gaming community members just a bunch of suckers, beholden to WotC/Hasbro and the D&D product overall?

For the most part, yes

If they weren't, they would have learned their lesson from DnD 4e and how WotC handled that.

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Quote from: Batjon on April 04, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
Are the gaming community members just a bunch of suckers, beholden to WotC/Hasbro and the D&D product overall?

For the most part, yes

If they weren't, they would have learned their lesson from DnD 4e and how WotC handled that.

Theyd have learned from the whole existence of wotc.
But of course they did not. And never will.
I told you they would get distracted by the next bright shiny and wotc played them well with releasing the OSR and now oooh look movie! We have to see the movie because its totally not wotc! And oooh look they are planning to defile Planescape next! Isnt wotc great!

Quote from: Persimmon on April 05, 2023, 12:09:04 PM
The preview was so cringeworthy & stupid I knew there was no reason to watch it.  Lame jokes at every turn.  Dialogue written for 6 year olds.  Hamfisted Forgotten Realms lore insertions.  Something designed for elementary school intellects like J. Scott Garibay to enjoy.  And what was up with the Led Zeppelin music?  Even if you were going to use Zeppelin, why that particular song as opposed to stuff inspired by Tolkien?

Greetings!

"...elementary school intellects like J. Scott Garibay to enjoy". *LAUGHING* My friend, I am relaxing, enjoying a pipe and some good coffee, and this just made me howl with laughter!

I think the same way about the D&D movie. From the beginning, it looked, sounded, and felt like total garbage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK