It's like they're not even trying anymore.

I'm not a big fan of the 3E era but at least they evidenced some genuine enthusiasm back then.

Was anyone else watching the rpg.net thread unfold? It seems to start off with lots of rolled eyes and lols at WOTC and suchlike when it opened in tabletop roleplaying-open - did it shift to mega-butthurt mode there or was that after it got moved to the D&D Ghetto?

I'm just interested in case this says anything positive about the TRO people, even though the other subforum has clearly evolved into a massive fanboy wankfest for the 4E 4eva/3E is broken/2E sucks crowd.

Wizards of the Coast clueless about developments in the field outside their company.

Film at 11.

Quote from: J Arcane;473285Wizards of the Coast clueless about developments in the field outside their company.

Sharn, City of Towers, is a city book (not boxed set, book) that's been published recently by Wizards itself.

Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;473283Was anyone else watching the rpg.net thread unfold? It seems to start off with lots of rolled eyes and lols at WOTC and suchlike when it opened in tabletop roleplaying-open - did it shift to mega-butthurt mode there or was that after it got moved to the D&D Ghetto?

I'm just interested in case this says anything positive about the TRO people, even though the other subforum has clearly evolved into a massive fanboy wankfest for the 4E 4eva/3E is broken/2E sucks crowd.

Keefe the Thief and his buddies started questioning anything and everything, that people are overreacting, that Wizards just forgot a word like "this" as in "first supplement ever focused on THIS one city" and the like. Back and forth ensued. Thread got shot down, with a ban. What else is new? These guys know their routines when they want to shut down a conversation.

Quote from: Benoist;473286Sharn, City of Towers, is a city book (not boxed set, book) that's been published recently by Wizards itself.

For 3.5.

Don't you know that game was rubbish?  Try to keep up with the corporate narrative.  

:jaw-dropping:

ohh the humanity...:teehee:

Quote from: J Arcane;473288For 3.5.

Don't you know that game was rubbish?  Try to keep up with the corporate narrative.  

Right! We might have been speaking about another corp. I should have remembered. My mistake!

Quote from: danbuter;473272WotC loves revisionist history. Didn't they say last year that Forgotten Realms was the first campaign setting?

Yes, and it was an editorial slip, as I once documented here. In short, all the editor was to do was copy paste some extant text, and shorten it a bit without distorting the meaning too much. Apparently that was too tall an order.

I guess the same happened here. A hapless editor (or hey, let's make that: the janitor) was given the task at short notice.

I already surmised in the other thread that this book is a hack job that the actual staff at WotC have little to do with, as they probably got their dirty hands on something Bigger.

As for Keefe the Thieve and co., that's to be expected. They went for the same bullshit defenses in 2008 and will do now. These occasions serve a very useful purpose, however, as they permanently discredit such a poster even to those who weren't around to draw that conclusion on previous occasions.

The city of Hollowfaust begs to differ....

and lets not forget Warhammer City: Middenheim, a book released 24 years ago, probably before the marketing intern who wrote that copy was born.

So what was the first RPG city suppliment?

I can't see a difference between a book and a box with a book and a map in it to be honest so what is the earliest anyone here played?

I know Lankhmar came out in '85 but I was playing Thieves' World in '82 (well until the PCs burnt Sanctuary to the ground in about mid '83 ) and I think it was prolly released in the US in '81 ??

So what is the earliest commercially released City ?

So I have since googled and City State of the Invincble Overlord is (of course) the obvious winner (unless someone knows different). Judge's Guild distribution in the UK was awful so though we heard rumours I never saw stuff for sale until the eary 80s and by then everyone else was doing things with far better production values so ...

Quote from: Windjammer;473306I guess the same happened here. A hapless editor (or hey, let's make that: the janitor) was given the task at short notice.

I blogged about this weirdness the day I first saw the press release. I figured it was either yet another example of clueless marketing people writing hype for something they knew nothing about or an attempt by WOTC to rewrite history again. Given the poor manner in which 4e was marketed at the start, my money would be on marketing.

Yeah, as a recovering 'lowercase 4' 4venger, WotC has been bugging the hell out of me for the past year. I thought they were onto something and had things figured out with Essentials and Gamma World, but they've been running around like headless chickens and throwing spaghetti at the wall, hoping something will stick, with the D&D line ever since.

At this point, I think it's best to let it die for a year or two and do a reboot.

Quote from: Benoist;473287Keefe the Thief and his buddies started questioning anything and everything, that people are overreacting, that Wizards just forgot a word like "this" as in "first supplement ever focused on THIS one city" and the like. Back and forth ensued. Thread got shot down, with a ban. What else is new? These guys know their routines when they want to shut down a conversation.

And that wasn't enough. If you look at the Trouble Tickets thread, they wanted BLOOD. It isn't enough to shut down a thread critical of WotC; you have to go after the ones responsible, ensuring they never post on the topic again.
 
That's a standard M.O. for a group of posters who have a certain zealot's defense in place for WotC.