Quote from: Zirunel;1077494Violent leftist religious fanatics.....okay.

I have to say, I think your fears may be a little overblown, but maybe things are different where you live. And maybe where the OP lives, I dunno.

It's cute that you live in a bubble.  Visit Portland, OR.  The violent leftist religious zealots have a nice black-on-black uniform, complete with facemasks, and regularly assault those they disagree with in the name of anti-fascism.  It's not overblown, it's real.

What about the 2 games I mentioned. They're 2 published games that already did the work for you.

Quote from: kythri;1077497It's cute that you live in a bubble.  Visit Portland, OR.  The violent leftist religious zealots have a nice black-on-black uniform, complete with facemasks, and regularly assault those they disagree with in the name of anti-fascism.  It's not overblown, it's real.

Greetings!

You're quite right, Kythri. What has been going on in Portland, Oregon is insane, and a shameful travesty. You have armed bands of violent, Communist thugs marching in the streets, performing vandalism against businesses and attacking innocent people. Meanwhile, the city and state government does nothing.

Why are there not lawsuits being filed? Why aren't there FBI teams making raids against these jackasses, and crushing them? Why are we not hearing of law and order being restored, and these barbarians being charged in court and sent to prison? Why are there not strong investigations being conducted of their families and associaates, and investigations into those people and organizations funding them, and giving them aid and cover? Why are people not having rallies publicly denouncing these bastards, and demanding that the government put the fear of God into these scum?

I would like to see the great strength of the government brought down on them relentlessly, stomping on them like a boot crushing a cockroach. The innocent and good citizens of Oregon deserve justice, law, and order. Citizens of Oregon should not have to live in fear of these Communist terrorists. The Federal government has also declared that Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization.

These people are traitors to our country, and vicious criminals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1077510Why aren't there FBI teams making raids against these jackasses, and crushing them?

SHARK

Possibly because they are dealing with the sources of the more lethal threats?

QuoteFrom 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists.

This doesn't negate the obligation for local law enforcement to do its job of course.

Quote from: kythri;1077497It's cute that you live in a bubble.  Visit Portland, OR.  The violent leftist religious zealots have a nice black-on-black uniform, complete with facemasks, and regularly assault those they disagree with in the name of anti-fascism.  It's not overblown, it's real.

You are surely right that I live in a bubble. We all do, in bubbles of various sizes and types.

Pretty sure my not-living-in-constant-fear-of-violent-leftist-religious-zealots bubble is far vaster than your little cringing-in-terror-in-Portland bubble, but there you go. I don't know Portland, and there may be other fearful terror-stricken bubbles around too.

In the meantime, yet another gaming thread descends into outrage politics. Great.

Greetings!

I think the cultures and environment of the Eastern Woodlands tribes makes for a very interesting campaign. You have many diverse cultures, as well as some difference in terrain types. Besides prevailing dense forests, there are also hills, mountains, enormous lakes and rivers, coastal lands, and even marshes. Toss in various powerful tribal confederations, lots of wild animals, and it serves very well. In addition, of course, Vikings and prehistoric animals may exist, as well as mound-building giants, which use stone fortifications. I think the Native American environments are very interesting, and have long been ignored within the larger hobby.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: jhkim;1077394This isn't about Native Americans per se, but I've never liked any of the honor systems that are I've seen for East Asian settings. Yes, honor is important in the stories of East Asian cultures - but honor and virtue are important in the stories of *all* cultures. I haven't seen this sort of thing for European cultures.

Doesn't Pendragon have Glory points? But I agree, certainly when it comes to D&D type games I have no idea why east-Asian settings merit an Honour score and a Republican Rome or Saxon England setting does not.

I'd argue that honor is part of the system in Pendragon. In addition to the aforementioned Glory, Loyalty to one's Liege and Love of Family are passions that everyone gets. Honesty and Pride are traits that everyone has. These are all tracked and measured in the system. Seems like honor gets covered by multiple aspects of what having honor and behaving honorably mean.


It would really, really be nice if folks would keep their political hysteria out of this forum. There is a separate place here for that stuff.

Quote from: Bren;1077521I'd argue that honor is part of the system in Pendragon. In addition to the aforementioned Glory, Loyalty to one's Liege and Love of Family are passions that everyone gets. Honesty and Pride are traits that everyone has. These are all tracked and measured in the system. Seems like honor gets covered by multiple aspects of what having honor and behaving honorably mean.


It would really, really be nice if folks would keep their political hysteria out of this forum. There is a separate place here for that stuff.

Greetings!

Certainly, honour was as important to many European cultures as it was in any Eastern Asian society. Pendragon and ancient Rome make that very clear. The Germanic Saxons, the Vikings, and the Celts all had societies which heavily revolved around honour, dignity, prestige, and reputation.

With Native Indian tribal societies, while not necessarily possessing the more urbanized aspects of an honour-focused society, the Indian tribes also embraced honour, prestige, dignity and reputation in many ways that affected the society, as well as the individual in powerful ways. The Native Americans had warrior societies and warrior brotherhoods that were very focused on honour and prestige, for example.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Zirunel;1077518In the meantime, yet another gaming thread descends into outrage politics. Great.

Thank you for your contribution to doing so.

Quote from: SHARK;1077520Greetings!

I think the cultures and environment of the Eastern Woodlands tribes makes for a very interesting campaign. You have many diverse cultures, as well as some difference in terrain types. Besides prevailing dense forests, there are also hills, mountains, enormous lakes and rivers, coastal lands, and even marshes. Toss in various powerful tribal confederations, lots of wild animals, and it serves very well. In addition, of course, Vikings and prehistoric animals may exist, as well as mound-building giants, which use stone fortifications. I think the Native American environments are very interesting, and have long been ignored within the larger hobby.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Played with in the 2007 film, Pathfinder, where a Viking boy is left behind after a raid on Native American settlements.

Quote from: SHARK;1077520Greetings!

I think the cultures and environment of the Eastern Woodlands tribes makes for a very interesting campaign. You have many diverse cultures, as well as some difference in terrain types. Besides prevailing dense forests, there are also hills, mountains, enormous lakes and rivers, coastal lands, and even marshes. Toss in various powerful tribal confederations, lots of wild animals, and it serves very well. In addition, of course, Vikings and prehistoric animals may exist, as well as mound-building giants, which use stone fortifications. I think the Native American environments are very interesting, and have long been ignored within the larger hobby.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

And back on track! Thanks for that. Not being facetious either.

Norse elements might be a bit of a stretch outside the far, far northeast, and I think the OP was specifically interested in the new world before any European contact at all, but that said, I think you're right that the early contact period might have a lot going for it, a lot of changes, a lot of uncertainty...a period of flux that might offer much to youngsters in search of adventure.

Quote from: Zirunel;1077539And back on track! Thanks for that. Not being facetious either.

Norse elements might be a bit of a stretch outside the far, far northeast, and I think the OP was specifically interested in the new world before any European contact at all, but that said, I think you're right that the early contact period might have a lot going for it, a lot of changes, a lot of uncertainty...a period of flux that might offer much to youngsters in search of adventure.

Methinks you're not aware of Vinland. That was long before the European contact of the 15th century.

Quote from: Zirunel;1077539And back on track! Thanks for that. Not being facetious either.

Norse elements might be a bit of a stretch outside the far, far northeast, and I think the OP was specifically interested in the new world before any European contact at all, but that said, I think you're right that the early contact period might have a lot going for it, a lot of changes, a lot of uncertainty...a period of flux that might offer much to youngsters in search of adventure.

Greetings!

Very fascinating! In addition, since the Vikings were not super-advanced, their would be a closer technological proximity. I've read snippets of things that while the Vikings were certainly impressive, and seemed to have inspired wondrous mythology amongst the Native people, when push came to shove, the Native Indians evidently gave the Vikings serious military problems. Various archeologists have found remains of Viking settlements that otherwise appear to have simply been annihilated by the Native Indians. There is also some indication that the *Vikings* themselves suffered from diseases. There doesn't appear to be a disease impact on the Native Indians coming from the Vikings, in contrast to the impact of European settlement and invasion several centuries later. So, the relations between the Native Indians and the fierce Vikings seems to have been predominantly hostile and warlike. However, and there always seems to be a *however*--there have been anthropological sketches done where Native elders and shamans have maintained that different tribes embraced the Vikings in a very friendly manner, adopting them into their tribes, intermarrying and breeding extensively. Evidently, the Native Indians liked marrying up with tall, hairy blonde foreigners. LOL. If the later European testimony is also considered, more than a few Europeans described the Native Indians as being very beautiful and exotic, especially the women; though European women were no less approving of Native Indian men, describing them as muscular, athletic, masculine, and handsome. Reading from this, it can be imagined that the Viking men and women likely reacted in a similar manner to romantic relations with Native Indian people.

There have also been some anthropologists that have suggested that the Vikings up in Newfoundland and Vinland may have, in fact, travelled and influenced a considerably larger area than was previously thought, including exploring and trading with Iriquois and other Indian peoples in the New York and Great Lakes regions.

Definitely some very cool possibilities! Then, of course, there are various fragments and stories of tribes of Giants--entire tribes of people of immense strength and height, between 7 and 12 feet tall, that had history throughout the Americas. There are also ideas that some prehistoric Ice Age animals may have been surviving in small isolated groups as well.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I am so aware of Vinland. Born and raised in NL. When I say "far, far northeast," that is what I am referring to. And when I say  "early contact period," that is the period I am referring to.

Greetings!

I have another book in my library, 1421: The Year China Discovered America, By Gavin Menzies, where the historian Menzies discusses his research and findings, detailing how a vast Chinese Fleet sailed along the western shores of North and South America. This huge fleet had tens of thousands of sailors, marines, and other crew and specialists. Menzies discusses how *thousands* of Chinese people explored and settled throughout North and South America, contributing through intermarrying, as well as bringing rice and other foods, as well as contributing language to various Native languages. Menzies cites a South American example, of a significant portion of their words in their native language have direct correspondance to words in Mandarin Chinese, the precise language of the Chinese Empire, some 500 years ago. There are also stories of tribes intermarrying with strange, Asian men and women in the regions of Western Canada.

Yeah. 1421, brother! Fantastic stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK