Quote from: Bren;1006556[...] there is no reason to need all the details that have ever been published.

That would be a whole other definition of "familiar with".

Quote from: Headless;1007710Dr Who has time travel.  Its not standard Sci Fi.  Its standard bullshit.

Let me introduce you to H.G.Wells.....

Quote from: TrippyHippy;1007803Let me introduce you to H.G.Wells.....

That was forward.

Quote from: Headless;1007710Dr Who has time travel.  Its not standard Sci Fi.  Its standard bullshit.

Much of Sci Fi is replete with artificial gravity, FTL travel and communication, time travel, aliens, and other "standard bullshit"

Time travel is meaningless.  Or a-meaningful.  Beyond outside of human understanding.  

One of the foundations of human understanding  is cause and effect (the other might be 1 thing can't be in two places at the same time I can't remember) cause and effect breaks down if effects take place before the cause.  

Aliens, true aliens are not human, meaning different from human understanding.  Possibly impossible to understand.  And in good sci fi dealing with aliens that is front and center.  Its a story about gow can I deal with this being that I can't understand, even if I can understand the words they speak.  But aliens aren't beyond reason, they just have a different reason.

Time travel is anathema to reason.  A story with it can't make sense.  Some of the best are A-sensical, but most of them are just non-sense.

Dr. Who's Time Traveling is not the focus of the show.  This is what a lot of people miss about it, they're focusing on the wrong thing.  The show is about solving a situation using the Doctor or his associates as a vehicle to do so.  Personality, skills, knowledge, this is what the focus is on.

Quote from: Headless;1007846Time travel is anathema to reason.  A story with it can't make sense.  Some of the best are A-sensical, but most of them are just non-sense.

Seems too broadly stated. Most tropes of sf, from psionics to FTL, have little to no basis in sciencem One of the first masterpieces of sf is based around time travel afterall, Wells' The Time Machine and there is a reasonable supposition that the popularity of time travel as a trope in the scientific romance was connected to the growing populairty of evolutionary theory, again Wells' book makes that connection overt. Bishop's No Enemy But Time is also an excellent sf novel on the theme.

Quote from: Headless;1007846Time travel is meaningless.  Or a-meaningful.  Beyond outside of human understanding.  

One of the foundations of human understanding  is cause and effect (the other might be 1 thing can't be in two places at the same time I can't remember) cause and effect breaks down if effects take place before the cause.  

No, anticipating things that will happen and acting in reaction to them before they happened is actually standard human activity. Yet it includes reaction before the cause has happened;).

Anticipation is based on patterns of past experiences.

Quote from: Headless;1007934Anticipation is based on patterns of past experiences.

And yet it acts as time travel for that specific case.
And time travel is also very much related to your past experiences;).

Star Trek.

I'm not 100% fully into the setting but I do love to run it, but when I get a player who knows more about it and tries to fudge their way out of a situation by saying 'I'll use an inverted tri-phase resonator on the transponders they use for the transporter room!' like they're in a Voyager episode, and then try to convince me that it would work because they know more about Star Trek than me, that's annoying.

Quote from: AsenRG;1007945And yet it acts as time travel for that specific case.
And time travel is also very much related to your past experiences;).

First sentence-  we all travel through time.  Only one direction though.  If you want to go faster. No problem. Slower, still no big deal.  Go backwards non-sense.

Second sentence.  Words don't make sense any more dealing with time travel.  If I go back to 1965, my being there can't be related to past experiences.  I wasn't born then.  I have no experience.  

Most time travel stories are like trying to devide by zero.  Its not clever its non-sense.

Quote from: Headless;1007846Time travel is meaningless.  Or a-meaningful.  Beyond outside of human understanding.  

One of the foundations of human understanding  is cause and effect (the other might be 1 thing can't be in two places at the same time I can't remember) cause and effect breaks down if effects take place before the cause.  

Aliens, true aliens are not human, meaning different from human understanding.  Possibly impossible to understand.  And in good sci fi dealing with aliens that is front and center.  Its a story about gow can I deal with this being that I can't understand, even if I can understand the words they speak.  But aliens aren't beyond reason, they just have a different reason.

Time travel is anathema to reason.  A story with it can't make sense.  Some of the best are A-sensical, but most of them are just non-sense.

The end of eternity was pretty good in my opinion. That is one of the best science fiction stories I ever read and all about time travel.

You are going to run into logical issues when introducing time travel in a story or game....but the game of figuring it out, finding potential contradictions, etc is part of the fun.

Quote from: Headless;1007985First sentence-  we all travel through time.  Only one direction though.

We are all time peasants.

QuoteMost time travel stories are like trying to devide by zero.  Its not clever its non-sense.

Doctor Who has little to do with paradoxical time travel, though; travel to the past was just an excuse to visit various events in history. Usually they travel to one particular point in time and space and have an adventure there.

Quote from: rawma;1008181Doctor Who has little to do with paradoxical time travel, though; travel to the past was just an excuse to visit various events in history. Usually they travel to one particular point in time and space and have an adventure there.

Time travel in Doctor Who is nothing more than a vehicle for adventure, anyone who makes it into a bigger thing than that, doesn't get the show.  And this is coming from someone who actually doesn't care about the show.