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Mythic Polynesia hubbub - Storm in a thimble!

Started by Rob Necronomicon, December 14, 2022, 06:54:59 AM

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Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Carfilhiot on February 09, 2023, 04:23:17 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 09, 2023, 04:00:58 PM
Thanks for popping over from the pub, and being 'oh-so concerned' about this 'harmful' release. Hmm... smells like a troll to me.
I don't think it's "harmful", I never even said that.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 09, 2023, 04:00:58 PM
But more importantly... Who gives a shit what you will or won't accept?
I'm not expecting other people to "give a shit", it's just a conversation about what people expect from historical sourcebooks. Most people buying the Mythras historical line expect some fidelity, it's what the line is marketed with. Not total historical accuracy, but some reasonable fidelity to the source culture and its myths. Other books in the line were good at this. I even think this book is good at it.
My point isn't so much about Mythic Polynesia itself, more that it's not odd to expect some historical accuracy from a line marketing itself as such. Just like I'd expect some accuracy to the setting from a Lord of the Rings book.

Keep up the concern trolling.  ;)

Carfilhiot

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 09, 2023, 06:25:06 PM
Keep up the concern trolling.  ;)
Huh? I mean I bought it, said I think it's good and can't even imagine how it would do harm. Where's the "concern trolling"?

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Carfilhiot on February 09, 2023, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 09, 2023, 06:25:06 PM
Keep up the concern trolling.  ;)
Huh? I mean I bought it, said I think it's good and can't even imagine how it would do harm. Where's the "concern trolling"?

Not you clearly...

Wtrmute

Quote from: Raleel on February 09, 2023, 05:17:25 PM
the lizardman thing was a sidetrack discussion about Monster Island, which has the term "savage" to describe one species of lizardman natives on the island and I got threadbanned for attempting to correct some facts about it without stepping into any commentary about the racism of the statement. It is not relevant to Mythic Polynesia.

edit: you can read my comments https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mythras-mythic-polynesia.904650/post-24602331 and https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mythras-mythic-polynesia.904650/post-24602492 and my threadban reasoning https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mythras-mythic-polynesia.904650/post-24610906

Thanks, I think I'll work a bit on my reading comprehension skills again ;)

Rob Necronomicon

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Quote from: Wtrmute on February 09, 2023, 04:32:09 PM
At this point, it's probably useful to recentre the discussion. I did not follow the hubbub over at Twitter, but the problem originally didn't seem to be about historical fidelity,

It's very telling that... And IMO complete purposeful chicanery. In theory, what we have here are two very different arguments but both are now part of the same 'woke scolding' tactic which was evident on another forum regarding the same topic.

On one hand, we have an absolute nobody called 'Liam' who spat the dummy. Then subsequently we then have a couple of woke-scold boobies latched on to that (that's predictable of course).

While all of a 'sudden' some more boobies start to make hugely illogical leaps jabbering about 'real-world harm'. No proof was ever provided when I asked for it incidentally. Then the same woke scolds try another tactic by suddenly introducing 'scholastic integrity' yada yada... Even after the disclaimer was clearly shown.

So excuse my skepticism from any poster(s) who suddenly want to 'chat' here about this topic (if they came from the rpgpub). Don't get me wrong there are some cool peeps over there but there are a few VERY woke dweebs too.

Now, if someone wanted to have a genuine discussion about the accuracy of M.P. that's one thing, and assuming it wasn't some wokey-cokey with an agenda. Personally, I've read MP and I'm fine with the info as is (especially after reading the disclaimer). It 'aint no historical text and they've taken some liberties to make it a good game setting. I couldn't say how accurate it is in terms of real-world history, but I don't really care either (how many other RPGs take liberties I wonder - Oh, all of them!). I have got a lot of Celtic RPG material as well, and I can tell you a lot of it is not very accurate. Who cares? Just enjoy the game.

But if people are 'genuinely' unhappy with M.P. that's one thing. If you bought it on Drivthru just get your money back. IMHO, I don't think it's possible to have a conversation about its accuracy now as it's been so 'baked' into the ultra-woke arguments brought up by Liam and a few other boobies. That's just my opinion...

My only real concern about MP is that some dweebs are trying to get it censored, changed, or revised by putting pressure on TDM. For no other reason than because they are ultra-wokes. Anyway, while it appears to have been taken off DT for reasons unknown at this point. You can still get this fine gaming supplement from their site :):
https://the-design-mechanism.mybigcommerce.com/mythic-polynesia-pdf/

Kia orana! My health be with you!

Carfilhiot

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 09, 2023, 07:30:32 PM
Now, if someone wanted to have a genuine discussion about the accuracy of M.P. that's one thing, and assuming it wasn't some wokey-cokey with an agenda. Personally, I've read MP and I'm fine with the info as is (especially after reading the disclaimer). It 'aint no historical text and they've taken some liberties to make it a good game setting. I couldn't say how accurate it is in terms of real-world history, but I don't really care either (how many other RPGs take liberties I wonder - Oh, all of them!). I have got a lot of Celtic RPG material as well, and I can tell you a lot of it is not very accurate. Who cares? Just enjoy the game.
The Mythic series is like the old GURPS historical series, it's marketed as having some historical fidelity. Everybody knows these books aren't totally accurate.
Mythic Polynesia is accurate, at an RPG supplement level, if you're not after Maori material.

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Carfilhiot on February 10, 2023, 03:30:49 AM
The Mythic series is like the old GURPS historical series, it's marketed as having some historical fidelity. Everybody knows these books aren't totally accurate.
Mythic Polynesia is accurate, at an RPG supplement level, if you're not after Maori material.

Cool, you don't like it... You said. Of course, I really like the supplement I'm going to have a lot of fun with it when I get around to running it.

But other people seemed to like it on DT, as it had a four-star rating and that's even after two troll 1-star reviews from ultra-wokes who just blubbed about 'real world harm' and stereotypes, etc.

Kia orana! My health be with you!





Baron

Just for the record, when I read about TDM getting crap over this book, I immediately bought a copy from them. A move that's somewhat in-character for me. I don't believe they went into the project with other than good intentions, and I hope they don't have any serious issues as a result of the online fracas.

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Baron on February 24, 2023, 02:47:26 AM
Just for the record, when I read about TDM getting crap over this book, I immediately bought a copy from them. A move that's somewhat in-character for me. I don't believe they went into the project with other than good intentions, and I hope they don't have any serious issues as a result of the online fracas.

I did the same thing. I bought the book more out of support. And I also thought that there was no bad intent in the making of the book.

BrokenCounsel

I also bought a copy. Polynesia ain't my bag as a setting, but they deserve the support and its an interesting read.

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: BrokenCounsel on February 24, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
I also bought a copy. Polynesia ain't my bag as a setting, but they deserve the support and its an interesting read.

Exactly... Always do the opposite of what the woke scolds say. I bought Red Room's 'Men'. I'll never play it as I don't really like comedy in my RPGs. It was just a gesture of support for them.

Grognard GM

Quote from: Carfilhiot on February 09, 2023, 12:30:02 PMIt's that when you buy an RPG book based on a setting, in this case the mythic past of Polynesia, you expect the book to actually implement that to some degree and show knowledge of the myths and cultures, otherwise why buy a historical supplement?

Ah, so the people who are concerned want more rules for cannibalism, wiping out neighbouring tribes, and decimating island ecologies?

Hmm? Oh yeah, silly me. Just the Noble Savage tropes, not the grimy parts of history.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 24, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: Carfilhiot on February 09, 2023, 12:30:02 PMIt's that when you buy an RPG book based on a setting, in this case the mythic past of Polynesia, you expect the book to actually implement that to some degree and show knowledge of the myths and cultures, otherwise why buy a historical supplement?

Ah, so the people who are concerned want more rules for cannibalism, wiping out neighbouring tribes, and decimating island ecologies?

Hmm? Oh yeah, silly me. Just the Noble Savage tropes, not the grimy parts of history.

And don't forget infanticide as many of them wanted boys instead of daughters as they could grow up into 'male' warriors. Times were different back then! lol