Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 12:40:17 PM
Laresians = Europeans, who are of course evil colonialists thankfully defeated by the indigenous peoples who (some) have no concept of sex and/or gender.

Cool... that sounds right up my alley. Plus, I really hate us crackas'.

Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2023, 01:02:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 12:40:17 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2023, 11:47:45 AM

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 05:44:18 AM
Well there is a new book coming out with a South American theme.

QuoteKoboa is a South American Fantasy setting developed by a 100% South American dev team. We count on devs from Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Argentina, as well as members of the Xukuru, Quechua and Kichwa Indigenous peoples.

Wonder if this will implode or get attacked.

Cool. There's a free preview available here:

https://www.koboasetting.com/

Cool if you like woke dredge

Just to clarify, I haven't read the preview yet, so that wasn't a comment on the material. Just that it's a new RPG with a free preview available.

That's fine, I'm sorry if I assumed you had.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 03, 2023, 01:07:43 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 12:40:17 PM
Laresians = Europeans, who are of course evil colonialists thankfully defeated by the indigenous peoples who (some) have no concept of sex and/or gender.

Cool... that sounds right up my alley. Plus, I really hate us crackas'.

As a stunning and Brave Maya (people of colour) I hate you too

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:10:52 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 03, 2023, 01:07:43 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 12:40:17 PM
Laresians = Europeans, who are of course evil colonialists thankfully defeated by the indigenous peoples who (some) have no concept of sex and/or gender.

Cool... that sounds right up my alley. Plus, I really hate us crackas'.

As a stunning and Brave Maya (people of colour) I hate you too

These guys must love 'setting the record straight'. I can just imagine the creators all huddled together thinking, 'oooh how can we portray these vile honkies who were all still metaphorical plantation owners. Muha ha...!'.

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 05:44:18 AM
Well there is a new book coming out with a South American theme.

QuoteKoboa is a South American Fantasy setting developed by a 100% South American dev team. We count on devs from Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Argentina, as well as members of the Xukuru, Quechua and Kichwa Indigenous peoples.

Wonder if this will implode or get attacked.

OK, from reading through the preview book... Koboa is wild/gonzo fantasy closer to Dark Crystal than high fantasy like Tolkien. All the people in the world can transform their body using "form maps" - including into a human-shaped swarm of insects, a flame-haired humanoid with backwards legs, or butterfly-winged humanoid. And yeah, apparently some of the koboan peoples didn't need a concept of gender - which if anyone can change into a human-shaped swarm of insects has some excuse.

It's obvious that the Larensians are a parallel for the Spanish, and the Gosangot Nation are the Incas, but many other elements have no correspondence that I can tell. The Sial are outsiders who brought the butterfly-winged form, and have a city state that's somehow fragmented into four locations - including one on an England-island off the equivalent of Chile. The north end of the continent (Colombia & Venezuela) is a Larensian-derived "Nueva Varda" independent of the Larensian empire, while the south end (Argentina) is Gran Marcelia that merges cultures.

From the preview, I can't tell much about how the Larensians are characterized. The Larensian Empire is obviously viewed as bad by the Koboans, but it's implied that Larensian characters are an option, who aren't part of the empire.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 14, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
I do find it rather lazy that Design Mechanism couldn't have hired ethnic maori (and other Polynesians) to consult on the project to add that extra bit of authenticity. Maori people are still around today and use the internet to communicate. It wouldn't be hard to put out an ad or reach out to cultural experts. I'm sure some of them would love to educate others on their culture and inspire an interest in learning about their culture.

Perhaps, but the field is now so full of activists with agendas that the authentic ones are harder to find.

Quote from: I on December 14, 2022, 09:39:33 AM
Can you imagine the horror of existence if people like this ever gained total control of society?

Their very nature makes such impossible thankfully.

Quote from: RandyB on December 14, 2022, 09:59:09 AM
The French Revolution called...

Well they always were a head of the curve.

I think Mythras (formerly RuneQuest 6) is one of the best, most comprehensive systems I've ever run, and a great toolkit for all sorts of fantasy RPGs. Polynesia isn't a setting that really interests me, but a lot of their Mythic line (Constantinople, Britain) is well worth checking out.

I know the TDM guys aren't super online (stuff like this makes me think that is probably a wise and blood-pressure saving move), but they've always been pleasant to interact with, and I appreciate that they just want to make quality gaming material.

Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2023, 10:12:35 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 05:44:18 AM
Well there is a new book coming out with a South American theme.

QuoteKoboa is a South American Fantasy setting developed by a 100% South American dev team. We count on devs from Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Argentina, as well as members of the Xukuru, Quechua and Kichwa Indigenous peoples.

Wonder if this will implode or get attacked.

OK, from reading through the preview book... Koboa is wild/gonzo fantasy closer to Dark Crystal than high fantasy like Tolkien. All the people in the world can transform their body using "form maps" - including into a human-shaped swarm of insects, a flame-haired humanoid with backwards legs, or butterfly-winged humanoid. And yeah, apparently some of the koboan peoples didn't need a concept of gender - which if anyone can change into a human-shaped swarm of insects has some excuse.

Well there went my hope it would be something of value. So another virtue signal product.
One that somehow with all the POC is less a job than TSR's Maztica.

Is there like some requirement that non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it?
I look at these feeling hopeful. But they seem to every time end up a disappointment somehow.

Quote from: Omega on February 04, 2023, 08:33:33 AM

Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2023, 10:12:35 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 05:44:18 AM
Well there is a new book coming out with a South American theme.

QuoteKoboa is a South American Fantasy setting developed by a 100% South American dev team. We count on devs from Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Argentina, as well as members of the Xukuru, Quechua and Kichwa Indigenous peoples.

Wonder if this will implode or get attacked.

OK, from reading through the preview book... Koboa is wild/gonzo fantasy closer to Dark Crystal than high fantasy like Tolkien. All the people in the world can transform their body using "form maps" - including into a human-shaped swarm of insects, a flame-haired humanoid with backwards legs, or butterfly-winged humanoid. And yeah, apparently some of the koboan peoples didn't need a concept of gender - which if anyone can change into a human-shaped swarm of insects has some excuse.

Well there went my hope it would be something of value. So another virtue signal product.
One that somehow with all the POC is less a job than TSR's Maztica.

Is there like some requirement that non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it?
I look at these feeling hopeful. But they seem to every time end up a disappointment somehow.

You mean 21st century Argentina, Brazil, etc?

We know near to nothing about the cultures before us, and I mean the people that do study them know next to jack shit. Because between the conquest, their own wars and primitive cultures and climate very little survived to a time when studying it wasn't worshipping demons.

Shortly after here come the leftards to make studying them taboo because reasons.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on February 04, 2023, 05:32:59 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 14, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
I do find it rather lazy that Design Mechanism couldn't have hired ethnic maori (and other Polynesians) to consult on the project to add that extra bit of authenticity. Maori people are still around today and use the internet to communicate. It wouldn't be hard to put out an ad or reach out to cultural experts. I'm sure some of them would love to educate others on their culture and inspire an interest in learning about their culture.

Perhaps, but the field is now so full of activists with agendas that the authentic ones are harder to find.

Also, since Maori culture is so different from other Polynesian culture, that would have probably just flipped it - getting the Maori right and screwing up the Islands. And as is Mythic Polynesia did a good job on everything except NZ. That points to for the most part it not being necessary, and Shirley doing a fine job on the research himself.

Quote from: Omega on February 04, 2023, 08:33:33 AM
Is there like some requirement that non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it?
I look at these feeling hopeful. But they seem to every time end up a disappointment somehow.

I'm not sure which settings you've been disappointed by, but I suspect there might be a clash of expectations.

For example, there is a big market of TTRPGs in Japan. However, they don't make games like Bushido or Sengoku. Instead, they make games like Sword World, or Dragon's Egg (Ryuutama), or Meikyu Kingdom - which are all fantasy that isn't particularly authentic to Japanese history. For that matter, D&D isn't authentic to European history. It is its own thing.

Quote from: jhkim on February 04, 2023, 12:58:19 PM
For that matter, D&D isn't authentic to European history. It is its own thing.

You keep mentioning that, as if it's somehow relevant.  No one here has complained that D&D is inaccurate to European culture.  People (mostly woke morons) ARE complaining that other settings are not faithful to the cultures they are based on.  That's the point.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 04, 2023, 07:40:04 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 04, 2023, 12:58:19 PM
For that matter, D&D isn't authentic to European history. It is its own thing.

You keep mentioning that, as if it's somehow relevant.  No one here has complained that D&D is inaccurate to European culture.  People (mostly woke morons) ARE complaining that other settings are not faithful to the cultures they are based on.  That's the point.

I was responding to Omega's comment that "non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it". I think it may be relevant to that complaint, and to some complaints from the woke side as well.

Quote from: jhkim on February 04, 2023, 12:58:19 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 04, 2023, 08:33:33 AM
Is there like some requirement that non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it?
I look at these feeling hopeful. But they seem to every time end up a disappointment somehow.

I'm not sure which settings you've been disappointed by, but I suspect there might be a clash of expectations.

For example, there is a big market of TTRPGs in Japan. However, they don't make games like Bushido or Sengoku. Instead, they make games like Sword World, or Dragon's Egg (Ryuutama), or Meikyu Kingdom - which are all fantasy that isn't particularly authentic to Japanese history. For that matter, D&D isn't authentic to European history. It is its own thing.

Yes and they also arent touting themselves as "all (insert culture/region/ethnicity/gender here)" as if that has some sort of cultural meaning.

Quote from: Omega on February 04, 2023, 08:33:33 AMIs there like some requirement that non-white people cant actually make a setting based on their own culture and not somehow botch it?

Clearly, the answer is we need trans-racial authors.

Just like how men now make more effective women, we now need Whitey to trans into various other racial groups so we can get some good RPGs written.

Clown World demands it!