So I have been playing Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition ever since it came out, starting with my brother's friends, and absolutely loved it! The rules felt realistic, the game was challenging and you had to keep your positioning in mind at all times, and I had a blast with the customization options. And Pathfinder RPG added even more of those on top!
As a tribute, I wanted to share a project I've been working on for a long time; which is an 8 page PDF that contains a guide for newer players, as well as recommendations on how to make your games more interesting, and finally a collection of homebrew that I have used with groups over the years and created myself as well. It contains the minos player race, which was our Pathfinder version of the Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition half giant with its Powerfull Build trait, as well as my revised catfolk and kitsune player races. I have also commissioned several artists that I liked to make art for the project, and I hope that you will enjoy the final result and perhaps use them in your future adventures!
PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XNgxsZwfWU4QQHTSIA9UInIaSkgb7uiI/view
Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 15, 2023, 08:52:17 AM
So I have been playing Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition ever since it came out, starting with my brother's friends, and absolutely loved it! The rules felt realistic, the game was challenging and you had to keep your positioning in mind at all times, and I had a blast with the customization options. And Pathfinder RPG added even more of those on top!
As a tribute, I wanted to share a project I've been working on for a long time; which is an 8 page PDF that contains a guide for newer players, as well as recommendations on how to make your games more interesting, and finally a collection of homebrew that I have used with groups over the years and created myself as well. It contains the minos player race, which was our Pathfinder version of the Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition half giant with its Powerfull Build trait, as well as my revised catfolk and kitsune player races. I have also commissioned several artists that I liked to make art for the project, and I hope that you will enjoy the final result and perhaps use them in your future adventures!
PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XNgxsZwfWU4QQHTSIA9UInIaSkgb7uiI/view
A cool offering.
After discerning the problem for a long time, with mine superego, friends, and devouted monks from Athos Mountain I had to categorically state that furry races are 14,88% less degenerate than basically humans with one animal trait races, and those latter need to be purged with fire.
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 15, 2023, 06:57:52 PM
After discerning the problem for a long time, with mine superego, friends, and devouted monks from Athos Mountain I had to categorically state that furry races are 14,88% less degenerate than basically humans with one animal trait races, and those latter need to be purged with fire.
Sounds like something a furry would say! Ask Fran what we do to furries in these parts:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hdXf29r6iGI&pp=ygUWRnJhbiBtZXJjaWxlc3NseSBraWxscw%3D%3D
Nekomimi vs furries. Nekomimi win. FATALITY!
QuoteNekomimi vs furries. Nekomimi win. FATALITY!
Absolutely degenerate. Everyone knows that nekomimi is first step to lure people into yiff. There is no denying.
Clearly animalistic races would lack all degenerate context if not for nekomimi paving road for bestiality enjoyers.
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 15, 2023, 07:10:44 PM
QuoteNekomimi vs furries. Nekomimi win. FATALITY!
Absolutely degenerate. Everyone knows that nekomimi is first step to lure people into yiff. There is no denying.
Clearly animalistic races would lack all degenerate context if not for nekomimi paving road for bestiality enjoyers.
Wait. Didn't you just claim that furries were less degenerate than Neko? :)
Spotted the furry! Grab the feathers and tar everybody!
Or fur and tar? I dunno.
QuoteWait. Didn't you just claim that furries were less degenerate than Neko? :)
In the context when furry catfolk is anthropomorphic cat, and neko catfolk is sexy human girl with cat ears and tail - yes for thousand times yes
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 15, 2023, 07:46:03 PM
QuoteWait. Didn't you just claim that furries were less degenerate than Neko? :)
In the context when furry catfolk is anthropomorphic cat, and neko catfolk is sexy human girl with cat ears and tail - yes for thousand times yes
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Surely closer to human is less degenerate. My own ad hoc scale goes something like the following:
(least degenerate) Humans -> Slightly-altered Humans (Elves, Vulcans) -> Mostly-Human Fantasy Creatures (Demons, Goblins) -> Totally made up creatures (aliens, eldritch entities) -> Animal-Like Fantasy Creatures (centaurs, dragons), -> (most degenerate) Real-Life Animals
On that scale, Catgirls arguably fall into the "Slightly-Altered Human" category, and things like Tabaxi are...well... debatable, but definitely farther down the scale.
I'm guessing your reasoning would be that the cat-girl is necessarily sexualized and the fantasy cat race is only possibly so. But the way I see it, whatever kind of creature it is, if it's not being sexualized then it's not degenerate at all, so I'm not sure that follows.
I think he's saying that people don't want to have sex with the Kzinti-type while the sexy lady with cat ears is clearly meant to entice that way.
I think that argument works for the world at general but not for those into furry conventions.
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i worry about the guy that wants to sex a beholder.
Quote from: Ruprecht on November 15, 2023, 09:26:38 PM
I think he's saying that people don't want to have sex with the Kzinti-type while the sexy lady with cat ears is clearly meant to entice that way.
I think that argument works for the world at general but not for those into furry conventions.
Wouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.
As for people who play anthromophoric creatures not being furries except for fur conventions, you'd sadly be surprised. Many of them are sadly furries, unless you have people playing a werewolf with a non-beautified werewolf form. But even then you risk gaining a lot of furry players, like what Worgen players experienced during World of Warcraft when they noticed a large amount of other Worgen players hanging out around Goldshire....
My take is basically: If she only has animal ears and a tail (at most also clawed fingers and animal-like eyes) then she is a Neko aka "Slightly-altered Human", so not a furry and not any more degenerate than an elf. Anything more, and it is a furry. See also the following chart:
QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.
No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.
QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.
My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?
QuoteI'm guessing your reasoning would be that the cat-girl is necessarily sexualized and the fantasy cat race is only possibly so. But the way I see it, whatever kind of creature it is, if it's not being sexualized then it's not degenerate at all, so I'm not sure that follows.
That can be agreed but of course it's theoretical option in realm of nekomimi.
Meanwhile fully animalistic races lets say Khajits generally existed within normie realm, with only some very radical perverts thirsting over them.
Of course purging furries is important anyway, thing is Khajit is ok on it own, while nekos are just slowly luring people into worse depravity. Dixit.
QuoteAs for people who play anthromophoric creatures not being furries except for fur conventions, you'd sadly be surprised. Many of them are sadly furries, unless you have people playing a werewolf with a non-beautified werewolf form. But even then you risk gaining a lot of furry players, like what Worgen players experienced during World of Warcraft when they noticed a large amount of other Worgen players hanging out around Goldshire....
Risk exist and we can never stop purging.
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM
QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.
No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.
QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.
My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?
QuoteI'm guessing your reasoning would be that the cat-girl is necessarily sexualized and the fantasy cat race is only possibly so. But the way I see it, whatever kind of creature it is, if it's not being sexualized then it's not degenerate at all, so I'm not sure that follows.
That can be agreed but of course it's theoretical option in realm of nekomimi.
Meanwhile fully animalistic races lets say Khajits generally existed within normie realm, with only some very radical perverts thirsting over them.
Of course purging furries is important anyway, thing is Khajit is ok on it own, while nekos are just slowly luring people into worse depravity. Dixit.
QuoteAs for people who play anthromophoric creatures not being furries except for fur conventions, you'd sadly be surprised. Many of them are sadly furries, unless you have people playing a werewolf with a non-beautified werewolf form. But even then you risk gaining a lot of furry players, like what Worgen players experienced during World of Warcraft when they noticed a large amount of other Worgen players hanging out around Goldshire....
Risk exist and we can never stop purging.
Well start purging the furries then, which is basically anything with a furred body, but leave the neko's alone. I mean I have science backing up my claims! Just look at the chart!
Jokes aside, I know that elves are more human, but in both cases of elf and neko you have weird ears. The only difference is that is that neko have a tail, but aside from that they are smooth, so icky hairballs like your anthromorphic cats have, yuk!
the important difference is that elfs flaunts non-specific faerie properties, just like Vulcan, while neko clearly animalistic properties. And we all know why.
Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.
Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries. I mean, this theme was even played out in that recent Reincarnated as a Sword anime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTKKHlsfyS4
Quote from: Slipshot762 on November 16, 2023, 01:47:15 AM
i worry about the guy that wants to sex a beholder.
I worry about the logistics of it...
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM
QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.
No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.
Ain't nobody thirsting for this guy:
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsbS2fXG/Wood-Elf-King.jpg)
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM
QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.
My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?
I meant as objects of desire :P
Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 16, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.
Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries.
It's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.
Quote from: ForgottenF on November 16, 2023, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: Slipshot762 on November 16, 2023, 01:47:15 AM
i worry about the guy that wants to sex a beholder.
I worry about the logistics of it...
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM
QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.
No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.
Ain't nobody thirsting for this guy:
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsbS2fXG/Wood-Elf-King.jpg)
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM
QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.
My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?
I meant as objects of desire :P
Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 16, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.
Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries.
It's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.
Oh god. I forgot how horrible the wood elves in the Hobbit animated movies looked. I would like to change my earlier statement: Elves are attractive, EXCEPT for the un-modded Altmer from Skyrim AND whatever that thing sitting on that throne is.
And Neko fans might have the occasional weird anime coming out, but even they have standards. No hairballs!
QuoteIt's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.
Bolshevisks always hated miensheviks more than reactionaries.
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:23:15 AM
QuoteIt's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.
Bolshevisks always hated miensheviks more than reactionaries.
Same reason why the protestants disliked the catholics more than the Turks. Or why the Sunni and Shiiti muslims occasionally sided with the US against one another. Or the communists and the national socialists (aka the nazi) fighting against one another during world war 2 even though both are left leaning, right after they had teamed up against Poland just a few years prior. They are all fishing out of the same resource pool, even though they are the same.
However, that would be more true for Scalies and Furries, as those have more animalistic faces.
A closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:
(https://dw9to29mmj727.cloudfront.net/promo/2016/6274-Header_Frieren_2000x800.jpg)
(https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp5105065.jpg)
Or appear together in them:
(https://wordery.com/jackets/35b621fd/l/skeleton-knight-in-another-world-light-novel-vol-5-ennki-hakari-9781645054641.jpg)
Hence why my point still stands: Aside from the fuzzy ears and the tail, which are on parts where there isn't going to be much lewding, any and all attractiveness to them is tied to the smooth human parts of them. The few animal parts just make them look more unique and cute/cool. They are still 99% human, same with elves.
QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:
Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans, while nekos yeah - they are furry elves :P
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:
Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans, while nekos yeah - they are furry elves :P
Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the :)
And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD
Jokes aside, I find it funny how neko have hair on their ears while halflings have hair on their feet. Well, more than usual ;p Also I noticed that with western games halflings have either pointy (like Lidia from D&D 3rd edition) or round ears, while in japanese media they are usually pointy:
(https://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/829a57bd96e60d4cf132623ba5b0ba1e1632659545_main.jpg)
(https://imgx.mghubcdn.com/another-world-munchkin-conquering-the-dungeon-as-the-strongest-and-the-fastest-with-only-1-hp/77/2.jpg)
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:
Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans
In Tolkien at least. In Poul Anderson, they're cruel, decadent agents of chaos. In folklore they can be anything from Keebler-esque tree spirits to child-snatching monsters. In Norse mythology they're....well no one really knows because they're only loosely mentioned in the sources. Granted, Tolkien certainly has had the biggest influence on elves in general fantasy, but the other versions of them have made their presence known as well.
My sense of the anime elf (which admittedly is mostly based on Goblin Slayer) is that like in most contemporary fantasy, they're some combination of Dungeons & Dragons (or possibly Fighting Fantasy, which I've heard has been more influential in Japan) and World of Warcraft.
Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 17, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the :)
And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD
You probably don't want to open the can of worms surrounding what fetishes anime halflings may or may not be playing to.
Also, since you seem to be an expert on this, something I've wondered about: When they do these cat-girls in anime, do they ever show the sides of their head, where the human ears should be, or is it always just artfully sculpted hair to avoid the uncanniness of a human face with blank spots on either side?
Quote from: ForgottenF on November 17, 2023, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:
Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans
In Tolkien at least. In Poul Anderson, they're cruel, decadent agents of chaos. In folklore they can be anything from Keebler-esque tree spirits to child-snatching monsters. In Norse mythology they're....well no one really knows because they're only loosely mentioned in the sources. Granted, Tolkien certainly has had the biggest influence on elves in general fantasy, but the other versions of them have made their presence known as well.
My sense of the anime elf (which admittedly is mostly based on Goblin Slayer) is that like in most contemporary fantasy, they're some combination of Dungeons & Dragons (or possibly Fighting Fantasy, which I've heard has been more influential in Japan) and World of Warcraft.
Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 17, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the :)
And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD
You probably don't want to open the can of worms surrounding what fetishes anime halflings may or may not be playing to.
Also, since you seem to be an expert on this, something I've wondered about: When they do these cat-girls in anime, do they ever show the sides of their head, where the human ears should be, or is it always just artfully sculpted hair to avoid the uncanniness of a human face with blank spots on either side?
Better keep that to yourself then XD
And so far most simply have hair covering those parts where the human ear ought to be. Because while they may look cute with those parts covered, they would look a little less cute if those were exposed:
(https://i.ibb.co/2gHf9ZQ/Raphtalia-ears.png)