I have played a long time—-mostly 1e and later 5e.

Recently WOTC took another "stand" and explained why Dark Sun is not being remade.  In a recent thread on another site, it was asserted that Dark Sun was not original nor in demand anyway.  (The only sources I have seen suggest otherwise—-which is congruent with my own assessment).

But the crux is this: evil wizards take slaves.  You can fight against it, but they have the upper hand.  So the game is triggering? Or will be misused?

The further assertions by some online talking heads is that this is a special kind of evil and we should not make light of it.  We "sanitize" it and should explore it more meaningfully if at all.  The question of a morning star to the head and other action/adventure staples are exempt for now. 

Some are called alarmists when we suggest such avoidances and restrictions are a slippery slope to blandness.  It is amazing to watch this shit in real time.

Online discussions about racial ASIs usually were populated by folks who said wtf?  Vs . Think if the orc babies!  They are afterall standings for minorities in our world!  Then the apologists then chime in "well, it's not a good mechanic anyway...we can live without it." 

Charms and magic that control others is out.  Too reminiscent of sex without consent I guess. "Well it's no fun being out of the game for rounds anyway.  I guess no big loss."

Humanoid monsters cannot have alignment tendencies.  Too much biological essentialism. 
So much taken out of context.  (FYI: female drow are large and shiny black like...wait for it...female black widow spiders).  Not to worry, we can make them pale blue and misunderstood and as widely divergent as real people). 

So now we have rainbow drow that shoot sparkles from their benevolent asses.  Again, apologists on the fence make excuses.  "No I don't think it's racist but really, more options are not bad.  We can give an inch here to keep things moving forward.  Also when is Dark Sun being published?  My nipples are hard at the prospect!"

It's not.  You have accepted appeasement until you have lost options. It's not absurd to think there is a slippery slope!  We are near the bottom of it!  Prepare for fucking landing!

I have in the past tried to see the bright side, be agreeable.    Questioned myself.  Maybe I am being too hard headed?  And in the end, I regret ever giving an inch anywhere.  The implications of this madness are such that we cannot even like Tolkien! 

Sauron warped creatures that were largely evil later.  He tortured pillaged and conquered.  The list goes on.  So this stupid logic suggests in a fantasy game we should not even have evil conquerors to fight against.  Well we can but we have to make sure they are not too successful or something. 

And so here we are.  More than than the sjw nut bags, I blame myself and others who in any fucking way tried to be agreeable.

I previously purchased my last WOTC product.  And I lament that I have lost options.  This for me will be the era of third party purchases.  And to that end, if anyone knows a good 5e dark sun conversion I would appreciate a recommendation. 

Welcome to the Rebellion, pal.

someone in the OSR needs to make "the Obsidian Helios" or something along those lines.

Greetings!

Indeed, Dapig, I agree with you entirely. I've always been a righteous, Conservative tyrant-barbarian. I've appreciated the objectively, gamist and mechanical changes or options as being fine. (Like changes in AC, adding Feats and gewgaws). All of the social and ideologically-driven crying and diarrhea I have always rejected and been resistant against, precisely because I am *Conservative* and always have viewed such as jumping off of a cliff, on that damned slippery slide you talk about. Damn right, my friend. TO THE BOTTOM we are at!

Way to just sweep in like a B-29 raid, dropping awesome bombs of TRUTH, Dapig. Stay STRONG, and BE FIERCE, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Pundit's World of the Last Sun seems ripe to use and adapt to fill that exact niche (if it needs any changes at all), but it's OSR so you might have to do some conversion.

Quote from: SHARK on February 26, 2023, 12:35:27 PM
Greetings!

Indeed, Dapig, I agree with you entirely. I've always been a righteous, Conservative tyrant-barbarian. I've appreciated the objectively, gamist and mechanical changes or options as being fine. (Like changes in AC, adding Feats and gewgaws). All of the social and ideologically-driven crying and diarrhea I have always rejected and been resistant against, precisely because I am *Conservative* and always have viewed such as jumping off of a cliff, on that damned slippery slide you talk about. Damn right, my friend. TO THE BOTTOM we are at!

Way to just sweep in like a B-29 raid, dropping awesome bombs of TRUTH, Dapig. Stay STRONG, and BE FIERCE, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK, Thanks much. 

I came here a good while back just done with other forums (fora?  Hell I don't know).  And over time, I recreated accounts and went back in the mix thinking there needs to be a rational voice out there and hey, 5e discussion is welcome.

And here we are now after playing nice.  One domino keeps hitting another.  What I am saying is that thinking it's coming is one thing.  Watching in real time?  Tragic. 

Just give them Sudetenland.  It will stop. 

It turns out the slippery slope is not a fallacy. It's an ironclad, unassailable argument.

Quote from: Dapig on February 26, 2023, 12:07:36 PM
I have in the past tried to see the bright side, be agreeable. Questioned myself. 

Am herein lies the problem when one side are decent agreeable folk, and the others are thought police tyrants.

Welcome to the culture war, let's hope we are in time save it.

Quote from: Corolinth on February 26, 2023, 01:56:01 PM
It turns out the slippery slope is not a fallacy. It's an ironclad, unassailable argument.

Depends.  Often slippery slope arguments are chicken little nonsense. Not with "progressives" though.  The difference is that they want to go down the slope.  Same way here, the SJW want to do things that they know will make the games bland.  They don't care.  Hell, they are quite wiling to push someone off the edge, and skip the slope altogether.  They just know that they can't always get away with that. 

Good call and good decision to drop WotC!

There is so much other, better material out there, you don't need to compromise.

I, for one, see it as a good thing that Dark Sun is too "problematic". Maybe they'll leave it the hell alone. WotC has already fooked up Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Forgotten Realms, Spelljammer, etc.

But then again. The amazing Jeremy Crawford, I think it was, said that WotC is ignoring anything pre-2014 canon, so there is no canon. I'm ignoring WotC entirely now so....I'm good.

The goal of these people is to turn the hobby into "Grey goo" -- Everything is equal, everything is exactly like everything else, no distinctions or qualities, a bland undifferentiated slime. But it's very inclusive.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on February 26, 2023, 04:27:29 PM
I, for one, see it as a good thing that Dark Sun is too "problematic". Maybe they'll leave it the hell alone. WotC has already fooked up Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Forgotten Realms, Spelljammer, etc.

But then again. The amazing Jeremy Crawford, I think it was, said that WotC is ignoring anything pre-2014 canon, so there is no canon. I'm ignoring WotC entirely now so....I'm good.

Don't you worry, someone that seems to have been in charge of the Radiant Citadel has expressed interest in totally ruining re-imagining Dark Sun for a modern audience.

That's not gonna suck giant monkey balls or anything.

Rainbow Sun campaign setting

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 26, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Don't you worry, someone that seems to have been in charge of the Radiant Citadel has expressed interest in totally ruining re-imagining Dark Sun for a modern audience.

That's not gonna suck giant monkey balls or anything.

Yeah, I unfortunately heard that too. But I guess what I'm saying is I'm ignoring anything after 2014. It's not "official" to me, even though WotC owns the IP. I choose to ignore anything 5e. A good game underneath, but WotC has ruined it.