Rappan Athuk was a well established product that was pitched to a much bigger market. They were also lucky to tap into a mutually beneficial rivalry with the Traveller 5E kickstarter. Rappan also had old schools appeal AND had some pretty good and well defined swag. Also they were on kickstarter and I'm convinced that is a considerable advantage over the more primitive (and non US) Indiegogo.

So all up, not a fair comparison.

For me the biggest lesson is that people want as much certainty as possible when it comes to crowdsource. Incentivizing them to wait till the last minute to not get burt on higher rewards that dont eventuate just means that no-one invests.

Oh and chuck in some insane too level perks for the stupid rich fanboys. Rappan Athuk had 25 backers tip in $1000 or more. One guy tipped in 10k. Crazy!

I think some of the authors really let everyone down by not pushing their products at all, especially as he was counting on engaging fanbases outside the usual OSR crew. They just sat back.

@VectorSigma: I'd be amazed if some of the 19 could bear each other enough to collaborate.

Quote from: Sean !;565122I think some of the authors really let everyone down by not pushing their products at all, especially as he was counting on engaging fanbases outside the usual OSR crew.

That is a fundamental flaw in Raggi's reasoning. Since when are writers good promoters? Having said that some are clearly disinterested. How to explain Cook's lackluster showing?

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It's like the participants are Waiting and Seeing much like the backers...

Quote from: RPGPundit;562403I'm agreeing with you that this kind of qualification could be important; probably more important than whether you're an internet hipster or whether you agree with Raggi's very particular vision of "weird fantasy".  

Also, I would be curious to know what, in Baker's Forgist background, would constitute a "campaign", exactly?  Would he call 2 or 3 sessions a "campaign"?

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Apocalypse World says that it takes at least six sessions to actually become an interesting campaign, so... no. At least six.

I would really, really like to see Vincent Baker's effort - I think it would be interesting, to say the least. Also, to somebody who never buys modules, it sounds like something I would actually use: essentially a random generator for something you can plug into your own campaign world.

But I don't think it stands a chance of funding now.

Quote from: noisms;565187I would really, really like to see Vincent Baker's effort - I think it would be interesting, to say the least. Also, to somebody who never buys modules, it sounds like something I would actually use: essentially a random generator for something you can plug into your own campaign world.

But I don't think it stands a chance of funding now.

I think Baker is in with a shot. He's more than half way there.

Quote from: Fiasco;565202I think Baker is in with a shot. He's more than half way there.

Yeah. I'll throw 20$ at his project before it ends, since I like the idea and I'm getting my chip-in for the Brockie campaign back in few days, unless some miracle, or an army of GWAR fans, drops from the sky.

Ouch, I just looked at the reward structure closely, no wonder this thing is screwed.  The "buy them all" or "buy 5" or "buy 8" options are spread out over every single adventure.  

No one in their right mind is going to spend $180 bucks for "Everything that gets funded." if that means they get one module.

No one's buying the highest levels for the modules they want because it relies solely on the other modules being funded as well.

In this case I wouldn't say the well has been poisoned, I would say Raggi stumbled on the perfect way NOT to do Kickstarter.  It's a lesson well learned, I think the next one will do better.

As an example I kinda feel sorry for the poor bastard who paid $500.  He's going to get a hardbound copy of Rients module in a custom slipcase sitting by itself, maybe with one of Baker if he's lucky.

Quote from: CRKrueger;565307As an example I kinda feel sorry for the poor bastard who paid $500.  He's going to get a hardbound copy of Rients module in a custom slipcase sitting by itself, maybe with one of Baker if he's lucky.

and a 100€ gift certificate to the LotFP webshop... but yeah, I think you are spot on in your take on the campaign and why it is failing.

Well Jeff has funded!

Quote from: Fiasco;565612Well Jeff has funded!

Good for him. He's one of us!

Dear Pundit and Rest of RPGsite,

Despite the fact I have never wanted to read anything else Vincent Baker has written, his ideas for "Seclusium of Orphone" seem really good and I want to read it.

Can you please make fun of the indie gaming community's pathetic inability to fund their award-winning flag-bearing Vincent Baker and proclaim the results of this Indiegogo campaign as evidence of the clear superiority and majesty of Jeff Rients and the community that backs him until they cough up the coppers to put out his thing?

I'm sure it'll work: many members of that cohort frequently claim to be hypervulnerable to outside influence and social pressure in matters of RPGing.

That is all.

-Zak

No deal. They get ruthlessly mocked AFTER it fails.

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There's been a late flood of money for Baker. He is guaranteed to fund with less than $350 to go. I'm solidly in the OSR camp but Seclusium sounds like a fantastic offering.

Quote from: Fiasco;566132There's been a late flood of money for Baker. He is guaranteed to fund with less than $350 to go. I'm solidly in the OSR camp but Seclusium sounds like a fantastic offering.

Yeah, I'm throwing in my $30 - whatever that is, it's like £2 or something right?