Quote from: KrakaJakMages need Components to remain a help to the group, and powerful magic burns through components so quick that mages suddenly become very careful what they use their Magic for "just in case".

Is there still Paradox?

Quote from: hgjsIs there still Paradox?

Nope, and werewolves don't drive people insane, and vampires aren't covered by a Masquerade: in short, nothing stops them from acting in plain sight, except for a mild cover-up by the US government which isn't about to tell anyone else what it knows. In another year, you could probably expect the setting to look much like Shadowrun, since there's no way for so many supernatural creatures to avoid public attention indefinitely.

Quote from: GrimGentNope, and werewolves don't drive people insane, and vampires aren't covered by a Masquerade: in short, nothing stops them from acting in plain sight, except for a mild cover-up by the US government which isn't about to tell anyone else what it knows. In another year, you could probably expect the setting to look much like Shadowrun, since there's no way for so many supernatural creatures to avoid public attention indefinitely.

Actually, there is no point in them hiding whatsoever. Since it's prety common kknowledge that the world has gone crazy, weird shit is happening everywhere. Then there's that mile high tear in reality right in the middle of the midwest.

Not to mention that while in the oWoD the Camarilla enforced the rule of one vampire per a hundred thousand mortals in a city, in MCWoD more than one percent of Chicago's population consists of vampires...

MCvampire:

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How many RPG threads has that pic been a part of?

It'll always be a classic. Especially as an Unknown Armies reference!

It just seemed appropriate; I don't know where I even got it originally.

Ok, so it does sound to me like Monte took all that was pretentious, angsty, or artsy out of it and just went for the cool all-hell-breaks-loose setting?

And I assume the D20 isn't so changed that it alters the roles of GMs or the rights of players?

RPGPundit

I like all that stuff!

Fuck it, I just ordered it on Amazon.  That AP totally sold me, even if I'm just reading it.

Quote from: joewolzThat AP totally sold me, even if I'm just reading it.

me too.  i had flipped through it at my local borders and disliked the layout as well.  ended up putting it down before i got to all the good, crunchy bits, i guess.

i'll wait until one pops up cheap on ebay, tho.  dunno any gaming book that i'll spend that much on.

Quote from: RPGPunditOk, so it does sound to me like Monte took all that was pretentious, angsty, or artsy out of it and just went for the cool all-hell-breaks-loose setting?

And I assume the D20 isn't so changed that it alters the roles of GMs or the rights of players?

RPGPundit

Pretty much.

He open's the book with a funny story about him meeting Mark Rein.Hagen, and how was a pretentious prick asshole to him (but he had an awesome game). Now, here he is with a license to take Mark's world and doing whatever the fuck he wants with it!

As far as compatibility goes:

It has use rope as a skill...

It's so close to the SRD that you can take the characters through the Worlds Largest Dungeon, without changing anything...if you wanted:) The characters just count as 4th level instead of first. He wanted it to be compatible with the majority of D20/OGL mateiral so you would have a whole slough of resources of things to throw at the players ( a GREAT move, considering this is the ONLY book in the series)

I actually bought a D&D Monster Manual for this game.

The setting idea is still leaving me cold. If I did ever buy it then I'd probably use it for a fantasy campaign, as KrakaJak suggests.

Quote from: DrewThe setting idea is still leaving me cold. If I did ever buy it then I'd probably use it for a fantasy campaign, as KrakaJak suggests.

Like most of Monte's settings, they are built well to play...not nesisarily to read.

I run it as a Horror/Adventure game, actually. I'm thinking of putting the worlds largest Dungeon underneath Disneyland

This strikes me as what that D20 modern Shadow setting should have been.

Quote from: KrakaJakLike most of Monte's settings, they are built well to play...not nesisarily to read.

Maybe so. I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but a sudden influx of supernaturals into the modern world just feels a bit played out and hokey to me.

QuoteI run it as a Horror/Adventure game, actually. I'm thinking of putting the worlds largest Dungeon underneath Disneyland

Now that's a game I WOULD play in.

"Hey look everyone! It's the Dungeons & Dragons ride!"