Quote from: StuartI thought gay meant happy.

As in "We'll all dance gaily around the maypole"?

Sure, makes sense.  Whose maypole didja have in mind?

I saw "RedFox" + Fox Icon + "I'm a Fox" + "Kitsune Mimi!" and I thought we'd be seeing a debate about.... something else.

Quote from: RedFoxExcept that it's very much an emasculating term that denigrates through the implication of homosexuality.  That's why it's insulting and bigoted.  It's like defending the word "nigger" because it's just a bastardization of "negro," which originally meant black.  So using it as an insulting term for anyone, black or no, isn't racist.

And yes, I have heard that exact same defense used in real life.  By people just as willfully ignorant and evasive of what they're doing.

Did it not occur to you that if an entire community finds something offensive, it might just be offensive?

Because saying "put up with it and deal" is just another fucking take on the oversensitive rebuttal I'd anticipated in that last post.  Oh wait...



And again, try living as a gay man for awhile before you start preaching for me to be tolerant of bullshit like this.



I truly appreciate that, and every little bit helps.  You don't have to advocate tolerance to be tolerant.  You just have to extend simple courtesies like this one.

So, whether or not you actually agree with the reasoning behind it, your concession gets a big :win:  from me.

What I get from this: If I were Gay and use Gay as a term it's a point of pride. In fact it is. If I were not gay and used it, it's automatically offensive to the entire GLB community.

Likewise: If I were black and said Nigger, I'd be upholding... something. If I were white and used it, I'm an insenstive Bigot.



Got it.







And yes, I realize that the Pundit's use of Gay as an insult adds negative connotations to the word.  Of course, if we can acknowledge that, we can acknowledge that Gay was once a term for 'cheerful', and that its recent expropriation by the queer community removes a perfectly useful term from the lexicon. Wait... didn't queer once mean something else too?

Stop bristling your tail, little fox.  Accept the term as used and feel free to say bad things about canadians or something.

The Pundit shouldn't use terms like 'gay' to mean 'lameness' for the simple reason that doing so completely throws the discussion off-topic.  On a purely practical level -- independent of matters of sensitivity or equal respect -- use of such terms invariably throws a thread completely off track.

Quote from: RedFox... "negro," which originally meant black.  

Still does, in Spanish.  

I know what you mean, though.

In other news: Yeah, this Monte Cook's World Of Darkness action is pretty wanky.

Quote from: joewolzI agree that the autistic line is terrible.

Maybe it was a typo.  I think they meant "artistic children".

!i!

"In the World of Darkness, there are urban legends whispered into the ears of autistic artistic children by invisible spiders."

That would be a bit better.

Quote from: AkrasiaThe Pundit shouldn't use terms like 'gay' to mean 'lameness' for the simple reason that doing so completely throws the discussion off-topic.  On a purely practical level -- independent of matters of sensitivity or equal respect -- use of such terms invariably throws a thread completely off track.

This is the truest argument thus far.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Stuart"In the World of Darkness, there are urban legends whispered into the ears of autistic artistic children by invisible spiders."

That would be a bit better.

I'm not sure if this would be more or less gothy...

RPGPundit

For some kind of reason I'm imagining a freckled girl with pig tails drawing her family, while a Jiminy-Cricket-like Spider arachnid silently mumbles "Did you know they once showed a nude picture in a Cinderella movie?"...

The next day, she turned goth.

Quote from: SosthenesDidn't they use that blurb (not the autistic spiders part) from the very beginning?

That "What is the World of Darkness?" paragraph is taken straight from the WoD corebook, page 17, spiders and all.

QuoteIn our world, there are urban legends. In the World of Darkness, there are urban legends whispered by alligators who live in the sewers.

There.  That's better.

Quote from: GrimGentThat "What is the World of Darkness?" paragraph is taken straight from the WoD corebook, page 17, spiders and all.

So which is it... autistic or artistic children...?

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!There.  That's better.

Doc - your aim is true.

-clash

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!In our world, there are urban legends. In the World of Darkness, there are urban legends whispered by alligators who live in the sewers.

There.  That's better.

"In our world, there are urban legends. In the World of Darkness, there are urban legends whispered by sewer-dwelling alligators to grandmas who dry their poodles in the microwave."

better'er.