Quote from: tuypo1;829710to be fair he is kind of right but he is overreacting a little

Right about what?

the way i look at this whole situation is its a victory for the social justice warriors but a phyric one

they technically got things changed but it will end up being of far more benefit to the people they hate then it is to them.

Quote from: tuypo1;829715the way i look at this whole situation is its a victory for the social justice warriors but a phyric one

they technically got things changed but it will end up being of far more benefit to the people they hate then it is to them.

Yeah, its definitely a cloud with a silver lining. But then I'm pretty cynical about the "Culture Wars" overall.

Quote from: tuypo1;829715the way i look at this whole situation is its a victory for the social justice warriors but a phyric one

they technically got things changed but it will end up being of far more benefit to the people they hate then it is to them.

I actually disagree, this is a total win for them.  Whether or not the game becomes better for it, not withstanding, that has nothing to do with it.  In fact, most of the Social Justice Whiners, as I like to call them, don't even care enough to play the game, all they see was a target to attack.

They attacked and they got 'the other side' or 'the enemy' to back down.  Boom, done.  That's all they care about.  They got the other side to blink and give in.  That's all that matters to them.

I'm happy that this guy got work, and that people love his stuff, but let's not blind ourselves to the fact that the original offense was barely an anthill that they made into a mountain.  They made up a 'problem' and got others to do something about it.

I repeat, that's all they care about.

oh yeah the social justice warriors think it was a total win but the way monte cook games handled it made the social justice warriors look like even bigger arseholes then usual its going to come back to bite them in the arse eventualy

please let me hold onto this one bit of hope that people will start to realise how insane they are

Quote from: Gwarh;829668It's insulting to Anthony to imply he got hired on his "Nativeness" rather than the Strength of his ideas and writing.

This is forever the other part that bugs the hell out of me. Moreso because its oft so lopsided and selective. No offense to the new writer. But the publishers should have just dropped the native american entry.

You dont like it there? Ok. Now youve ceased to exist.

Quote from: Omega;829743This is forever the other part that bugs the hell out of me. Moreso because its oft so lopsided and selective. No offense to the new writer. But the publishers should have just dropped the native american entry.

You dont like it there? Ok. Now youve ceased to exist.

I disagree.  Don't remove the previous work, but add to the setting as a whole and include new work, and let them stand side by side.

Quote from: Gwarh;829668Sure it's cool to have a Native American Author doing writing about Native America mythology, but in the end so what if he is Native or not. If he writes good stuff that's all that matters. It's insulting to Anthony to imply he got hired on his "Nativeness" rather than the Strength of his ideas and writing.

Unfortunately, that's all he will ever be known for.  Because Monte Cook was 'pressured' into getting a 'native' to get his game 'right'.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;829745I disagree.  Don't remove the previous work, but add to the setting as a whole and include new work, and let them stand side by side.

That would have been an ok option. Still insulting. Like someone hiring me to write an entry in a book about robots - only because someone bitched about an entry about handicapped people - and I am handicapped.

Now if the book was intended to simulate real native american culture and mistakes were found and they called in someone native american to help clean it up. That is a totally different matter. But the book flat out states that it does not simulate anything real.

In retrospect I think the book should have stated the other dimensions were patterned after TV and movie perceptions. Like the two notable Star Trek episodes. There would not have likely been as much a fuss.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;829671Disgusted by the majority of the behavior displayed in this thread and also predictable as ever.

Everything is superficial for liberals like 90% of everyone here till the point they're beyond reasoning with and like talking towards a brick wall from my own personal experience.

Or maybe gaming sites like this one are hotbeds for GamerGate which is pretty clear.

Is GamerGate the new NSDAP or KKK ? What the eff it has to do with this discussion ?

By the way, whaterever Zoey Quinn had done, I am actually disgusted by the way she was treated and I am pretty sure this whole thing would have not happened if Zoey was instead Zachary ...

More close to this thread topic, I think it is kind of cool that new people with skills found a paid job. I hope we will read a lot more things from them !

Quote from: yabaziou;829752Is GamerGate the new NSDAP or KKK ? What the eff it have to do with this discussion ?

By the way, whaterever Zoey Quinn had done, I actually disgusted by the way she was treated and I am pretty sure this whole thing would have not happened if Zoey was instead Zachary ...

More close to this thread topic, I hink it is kind of cool that new people with skills found a paid job. I jope we will read a lot more things from them !

yeah im really not sure what gamergate has to do with it. but you are right a lot of the problem was the fact she was female but that was not the activists fault (they did act like massive arseholes though) that was because it gave feminists something to fight.

but come to think of it lately i have seen a lot of people trying to bring gamergate into unrelated discussions.

Quote from: tuypo1;829754yeah im really not sure what gamergate has to do with it. but you are right a lot of the problem was the fact she was female but that was not the activists fault (they did act like massive arseholes though) that was because it gave feminists something to fight.

but come to think of it lately i have seen a lot of people trying to bring gamergate into unrelated discussions.

I am pretty sure that bringing gamergate to any discussion is a new and silly attempt to discredit it.

Honestly, given the amount of money in the video game industry (especially compare to the RPG industry), I think it is fair to have a conversation about journalist ethics.

Quote from: Omega;829751That would have been an ok option. Still insulting. Like someone hiring me to write an entry in a book about robots - only because someone bitched about an entry about handicapped people - and I am handicapped.

Now if the book was intended to simulate real native american culture and mistakes were found and they called in someone native american to help clean it up. That is a totally different matter. But the book flat out states that it does not simulate anything real.

In retrospect I think the book should have stated the other dimensions were patterned after TV and movie perceptions. Like the two notable Star Trek episodes. There would not have likely been as much a fuss.

Perhaps I could be clearer.  If Cook thought that Thunder Plains was fit to print it should stay. If after the bitching and moaning finished, he decided to add another recursion that was more faithful, one should not supersede the other, regardless of the writer.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;829760Perhaps I could be clearer.  If Cook thought that Thunder Plains was fit to print it should stay. If after the bitching and moaning finished, he decided to add another recursion that was more faithful, one should not supersede the other, regardless of the writer.

oh yes very much so.

Quote from: Omega;829743No offense to the new writer. But the publishers should have just dropped the native american entry.

You dont like it there? Ok. Now youve ceased to exist.

This is part of what worries me about precedents like this. We've reached the point where you're not allowed to explore and interpret cultures other than the ones your ancestors were born into. How insanely antithetical to multiculturalism is that!?

What next, a campaign to shut down or rewrite Legend of the Five Rings for its "shamefully" western stable of writers, or are the Japanese excluded from this special protection program?