Quote from: Rincewind1;829975For crying out loud, culture is not a finite resource. It's not like oil or uranium, that if you use someone's culture, they can't use it.

The only problem I have is when someone butchers a language in films. You want to talk poor cultural representation? Try watching people talk Polish in American films. The first time I saw Sopranos "Polish" people talking, I was literally baffled. They were talking absolute gibberish.

There's way more spanish speaking hispanics in the U.S. than there are Polish-speaking Poles, and yet Hollywood still, in 2015, frequently has some actor (including many hispanic actors) who can't actually speak spanish, mangle some terrible spanish lines and just assumes no one will notice.

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Also, this cat looks almost exactly like one of my two cats.

Quote from: Spinachcat;830057Dearest Cryptofblood, I hope Premier is wrong about you being a masterful metatroll, but if so kudos on your performance art. Sockpuppets are truly the second best puppets. But if Bren is correct that you're a designed chatterbot, that would be kinda cool as I will always have far more respect for random lines of code than an actual SJW.

But please keep babbling your Cultural Appropriation idiocy because Free Speech is extremely important. While I think your words are chock full of dumb, I absolutely support your right to mumble dick your way through your SJW life and elucidate us all on the truth only you can know.

Sadly, nobody seems to want to talk about the coolness on this dude Anthony's blog and this thread has crapped out.

If you think your excuse for cultural appropriation is "Freedom of Speech" then you're seriously deluded, since for one example White Supremacists also defend their Hate Speeches as "Freedom of Speech" as well which doesn't make the situation any different here. It only get's to show that "Freedom" is a subjective concept that any group can define it for their own purposes at any given contexts. Plus more importantly I'm not (nor anyone doing the revision for the game) a governmental body (or some large conspiracy) out to 'censor' anything, it's simply called for developers to be more aware how to approach other cultures without appropriating without their permission or otherwise, what you call "Freedom of Speech" is actually only engaging long practices of imperialism.

Also calling anyone who disagrees with you "trolls" or "sockpuppets" is just something you like label to feel comfortable with yourself to appear 'smarter' than you actually are or rather you just rather retort to personal attacks and ad hominem if you choose not to listen.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;831345...it's simply called for developers to be more aware how to approach other cultures without appropriating without their permission..

How does a designer go about getting a culture's permission to appropriate something?

Seriously, I have no idea how one would even approach doing that. Are there cultures that actually anoint designated cultural-appropriation-permission-grantors or does the culture somehow vote on it and if it is a vote is a simple majority good enough or does one need a super majority of two-thirds or what? And how does a culture vote anyway?

Quote from: Bren;831351How does a designer go about getting a culture's permission to appropriate something?

Seriously, I have no idea how one would even approach doing that. Are there cultures that actually anoint designated cultural-appropriation-permission-grantors or does the culture somehow vote on it and if it is a vote is a simple majority good enough or does one need a super majority of two-thirds or what? And how does a culture vote anyway?

Actually the main problem would be solved if there's more diversity in the gaming industry rather than being full of white (especially male) people especially the presence of a dominant culture weighing all the others which is actually the main problem.

That's what I'm getting at which you maybe overlooking the obvious elephant in the room while you take everything by face value.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;831414Actually the main problem would be solved if there's more diversity in the gaming industry rather than being full of white (especially male) people which is actually the main problem.

That's what I'm getting at which you maybe overlooking the whole time.

More diversity in the gaining industry doesn't answer my question or resolve the problem you posed with gaming permission.

How does a game designer get permission from a culture to appropriate elements of that culture?

Quote from: Bren;831416More diversity in the gaining industry doesn't answer my question or resolve the problem you posed with gaming permission.

How does a game designer get permission from a culture to appropriate elements of that culture?

I've already answered your question and you've apparently ignored it, I guess there is no further discussion here if I'm talking towards a brick wall.

It's simply has to do that you're not entitled to take everything as if you own it at the expense of the original owners since you never cared enough to ask permission for it.

Infact let's look at appropriation shall we?

Quoteap·pro·pri·a·tion
əˌprōprēˈāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: appropriation; plural noun: appropriations

    1.
    the action of taking something for one's own use, typically without the owner's permission.
    "the appropriation of parish funds"
        derogatory
        the artistic practice or technique of reworking images from well-known paintings, photographs, etc., in one's own work.
    2.
    a sum of money or total of assets devoted to a special purpose.

Now apply it to a entire dominate culture taking another culture that never originally belonged to us without their permission for our own use at their expense which is what cultural appropriation is. It's essentially another form of theft done in a major cultural scale.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;831419I've already answered your question and you've apparently ignored it, I guess there is no further discussion here if I'm talking towards a brick wall.

You didn't answer it. You ignored it. That seems to be your usual modus operandi.

Either that or you were never interested in an actual discussion it was a trick question and by getting permission you really meant, "HA, HA, HA white men can't get permission. EVAH! Because of colonialism, and patriarchy. Suckers!"

Quote from: Bren;831416More diversity in the gaining industry doesn't answer my question or resolve the problem you posed with gaming permission.

How does a game designer get permission from a culture to appropriate elements of that culture?

It's a nice little Catch-22. You can't use it if you aren't given permission, but there's no channel to ask, no authority to dispense permission, and no seal of approval to affix to to the product.

"All red level troubleshooters please report immediately to the nearest termination booth. Failure to comply is treason and punishable by immediate termination."

Feeding the trolls, are we?

/summon Old Geezer's Peehole...

Go on, Crypt. You know what to do.

Quote from: Bren;831457You didn't answer it. You ignored it. That seems to be your usual modus operandi.

Either that or you were never interested in an actual discussion it was a trick question and by getting permission you really meant, "HA, HA, HA white men can't get permission. EVAH! Because of colonialism, and patriarchy. Suckers!"

*starts pounding head against desk*

Stop feeding the goddamn troll, Bren. You know better than that. This one hasn't had an original thought since it arrived.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;831489*starts pounding head against desk*

Stop feeding the goddamn troll, Bren. You know better than that. This one hasn't had an original thought since it arrived.

Sorry. Cryptoblood's comment was just so idiotically, unthinkingly, moronic that I had to respond because some dipshit was wrong on the internet. Mea culpa. I should know better than to respond to the chatterbot trollkin.

Quote from: Bren;831499Sorry. Cryptoblood's comment was just so idiotically, unthinkingly, moronic that I had to respond because some dipshit was wrong on the internet. Mea culpa. I should know better than to respond to the chatterbot trollkin.

Hey, I admire a good troll myself, but if you don't feed it, it'll eventually fuck off to whence it came.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;831501Hey, I admire a good troll myself, but if you don't feed it, it'll eventually fuck off to whence it came.

Somewhere a bridge stands alone, somewhere a village is wondering what happened to their idiot.

On the topic of cultural appropriation without going into any one poster -

To my mind, the main problem is when mainstream mass-media portrayals of someone's culture drown out the portrayals by members of the culture. Like, for example, having the mass of Americans know Lakota culture through Dances With Wolves rather than through works by Lakota authors. Or when Indian-themed New-Age trinkets made in Singapore are outselling work by native craftsmen.

I'm working on a game scenario right now about Voodoo, so it's been on my mind.

I don't think one needs permission per se, but I definitely try to look for portrayals by people of a culture rather than by outsiders.