Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

Don't look at me, I'm turned off by the concept.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

They're hardly the same thing. TSL entirely about being woke and silly to the core, with craptastic art. Shield Maidens is a potentially cool concept with awesome I art that just happens to have woke elements shoehorned in.

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 01, 2022, 08:26:14 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

They're hardly the same thing. TSL entirely about being woke and silly to the core, with craptastic art. Shield Maidens is a potentially cool concept with awesome I art that just happens to have woke elements shoehorned in.

What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 08:27:53 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 01, 2022, 08:26:14 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

They're hardly the same thing. TSL entirely about being woke and silly to the core, with craptastic art. Shield Maidens is a potentially cool concept with awesome I art that just happens to have woke elements shoehorned in.

What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

So don't waste your money on it, like I said before.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 09:29:06 PM
So don't waste your money on it, like I said before.

I have no intention of backing the KS. And I'm sure it will be very well funded...

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 09:32:11 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 09:29:06 PM
So don't waste your money on it, like I said before.

I have no intention of backing the KS. And I'm sure it will be very well funded...

I'm pretty sure that it will be well funded too, but it won't be by my money.....

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 09:33:58 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 09:32:11 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 09:29:06 PM
So don't waste your money on it, like I said before.

I have no intention of backing the KS. And I'm sure it will be very well funded...

I'm pretty sure that it will be well funded too, but it won't be by my money.....

Or mine.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:10:23 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:01:08 PM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on April 01, 2022, 06:55:49 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 06:22:22 PM
Having men as "allies" to the Shield Maidens?  Why in the world would you use that word?

One of the stretch goals should allow buyers to choose the pronouns for Odin.

Well, you've already given them the stretch goal of Free Publicity for what you hate, you easily manipulated wonk.

That would require people to back it and fund it. Matt posted the link and asked us to take a look at it, I obliged and realized it's not for me as the red flags are all there for another Thirsty Sword Lesbian book written by someone that hates me for who I do/do not sleep with at night.

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

TSL was more of a dook on the porch of Revolutionary Girl Utenna fans who had to watch their fave show sinking down alive into the swamps of cheap no-license tumblr remake crap.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 08:27:53 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 01, 2022, 08:26:14 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 01, 2022, 07:22:48 PM

The game isn't for me, either. So I'm not giving Mongoose any Kickstarter money for it. Simple. You just don't support what you don't like.

I doubt it is another outrage marketing "let's piss off the breeders" attempt like Thirsty Sword Lesbians was.

I put it in the same type of game as TSL in who it's marketing itself too. I haven't read the PDF to fully see if it's written like TSL.

I leave it to other to be that Stunning and Brave for me.

They're hardly the same thing. TSL entirely about being woke and silly to the core, with craptastic art. Shield Maidens is a potentially cool concept with awesome I art that just happens to have woke elements shoehorned in.

What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

I haven't gone through all of it yet, but I've been checking out the free PDF and looks pretty good so far, with a fairly clean, elegant layout and great art. Only arguably woke thing I've seen so far is this bit during the intro where it suddenly mentions a "wide spectrum of sexualities" when describing the people of the world, like that's a relevant bit of info outside of going into a night club or something where there's gonna be a lot of screwing going on. But other than that it just reads like normal cyberpunk-fantasy RPG with Nordic elements (at least so far).

QuoteMidgard is the birthplace of humanity, a diverse people of all shapes, sizes, and ethnicities, with a wide spectrum of sexualities, skin tones and ancestries.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 08:27:53 PM
What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

Do me a favour? Have a quick glance at the PDF primer we have done for the game:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0609/6139/0839/files/Shield_Maidens_Primer.pdf?v=1648809470

It is not very long. Just see if there is anything truly objectionable. Not saying it will be your thing, not trying to convert you... just saying it may not be completely what you think...

Quote from: MongooseMatt on April 02, 2022, 03:09:02 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 08:27:53 PM
What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

Do me a favour? Have a quick glance at the PDF primer we have done for the game:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0609/6139/0839/files/Shield_Maidens_Primer.pdf?v=1648809470

It is not very long. Just see if there is anything truly objectionable. Not saying it will be your thing, not trying to convert you... just saying it may not be completely what you think...

You know, even if it isn't his thing (like it isn't my thing), that doesn't mean that it shouldn't exist. It is just that we aren't the target market for this product.

Quote from: MongooseMatt on April 02, 2022, 03:09:02 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 01, 2022, 08:27:53 PM
What makes this woke for me, is not the concept per se, but the actual author's personal views which they clearly display as often as possible.

Do me a favour? Have a quick glance at the PDF primer we have done for the game:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0609/6139/0839/files/Shield_Maidens_Primer.pdf?v=1648809470

It is not very long. Just see if there is anything truly objectionable. Not saying it will be your thing, not trying to convert you... just saying it may not be completely what you think...

Thanks Matt,

But as I was saying, I've nothing against the game whatsoever (or Mongoose P.). But even if I liked the game, I couldn't bring myself to buy it purely on the author's woke scold politics.

This is in her own signature on RPG.net:

"Everybody is welcome at my table" is the "All Lives Matter" of the Tabletop RPG community."

I find that pretty offensive as well and trivializing such a serious subject (in the real world).

Another weird bit I found was in the equipment section under Chrome, where they refer to replacement limbs as an "Accessibility Aid", which sounds like handicap-sensitive, non "ableist" jargon at odds with a cyberpunk world...

QuoteAn accessibility aid is any cybernetic that aids a Shield Maiden whose organic limbs or organs do not function. This may be a mechanical hand, hearing device, mechanical leg or mobility chair. In upper class areas, devices such as these are prohibitively expensive – Fenrir philosophy teaches that those who require such devices are a drain on society. Amongst poorer zones, the Resistance manufactures and fits these aids free of charge. When installed, an accessibility aid grants the Shield Maiden the ability to perform up to the base standard of any other Shield Maiden. There are no rules or requirements to use an accessibility aid, they simply work.

...And they're handed out for free, cuz apparently charging for an advanced piece of technology that would require extensive technical know-how and materials to build is simply just part of Fenrir's exploitative capitalist philosophy, as opposed to a function of scarcity and the fact not everyone would have the knowledge, time or materials to build one. So only the upper class areas charge for them, but the poorer zones just get them for free, because if there's one thing impoverished people have is a bunch of technical experts just lying around with a bunch of mechanical parts readily available to be fitted onto anyone in need.

Granted, you have to be deep into woke (or anti-woke) nonsense to realize that this is technically woke, and I can easily ignore this as just a cosmetic element (want to say your character has a mechanical arm with no special benefits? Sure! Have one for free!), But it just stuck out to me as kinda silly the way it's presented.

That and what I mentioned earlier were the only weird bits I found, though.

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 02, 2022, 07:04:47 AM
Granted, you have to be deep into woke (or anti-woke) nonsense to realize that this is technically woke, and I can easily ignore this as just a cosmetic element (want to say your character has a mechanical arm with no special benefits? Sure! Have one for free!), But it just stuck out to me as kinda silly the way it's presented.

That and what I mentioned earlier were the only weird bits I found, though.

A lot of the promo images have these huge vast mega structure cities in their backgrounds. Who built them? The shaved blue-haired fems obviously didn't.