Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 12:44:28 PM

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Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:31:49 PM
There is no one running around in Pakistan stoning people and claiming it's "social justice."

   No said anyone is stoning anyone in Pakistan.

However, it is technically 'legal' to carry out stoning as punishment.

'Great bunch of lads...

  I know, I have actually seen a taped stoning carried out in Iran though, so I know its not a technicality there.  I have an idea it gets done in pakistan as well, but to be honest, seeing one was enough that I do not care to look for another again.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame you...  I never want to see something like that.

Although, I follow a lot of ex-Muslims who expose what really goes on in some of those countries. It's absolutely schocking. 

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 12:47:34 PM
I will reserve the judgement till there is a printed version of the product, as I have stated here a few times.

There is nothing wrong with doing that at all to be fair. And if you like it you like it. There are plenty of games I have from creators I don't like or agree with.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 12:38:43 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:31:49 PM
There is no one running around in Pakistan stoning people and claiming it's "social justice."

So when they kill apostates or perform 'honor' killings what do they call it?

Killing apostates and honor killings. And honor killings, by the way, are condemned by Muslim authorities. There is no one saying "this is social justice." It's just an act of vengeance, one considered ignoble even by members of those societies.

That's like trying to say white supremacists plowing vehicles into protesters is American "social justice." No one says that, no one calls it that.

Plain and simple, a lot of people like to villainize Social Justice because they are afraid of the implications of actually living in a just society. It's not a linguistic quibble, a lot of people are actually just opposed to justice in society. They are for social unjustice. There is no joke, no punchline. Just people continuing to claim white people are the truly oppressed ones, while white people continue to be all but one US president, have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

  Any time anyone says plain and simple, what follows is sure to be their own personal narrative bullshit of a scenario.  No one can undo the past.  If leftist social justice promoters want to continue pushing their current agenda (which is essentially "getting back" at someone aka vengeance) without understanding how that is going to really, really rankle the lower social classes of people who are only badly impacted by that pursuit (since many methods implemented in that pursuit impact them, not the people who had families who might have truly profited from past evils)....you will eventually get what you fucking deserve.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 01:10:29 PM
  Any time anyone says plain and simple, what follows is sure to be their own personal narrative bullshit of a scenario.  No one can undo the past.  If leftist social justice promoters want to continue pushing their current agenda (which is essentially "getting back" at someone aka vengeance) without understanding how that is going to really, really rankle the lower social classes of people who are only badly impacted by that pursuit (since many methods implemented in that pursuit impact them, not the people who had families who might have truly profited from past evils)....you will eventually get what you fucking deserve.

Plain and simple, you might as well have just farted instead of posting what you just posted, devoid of any fact, or any opinion of any force.

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 12:38:43 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:31:49 PM
There is no one running around in Pakistan stoning people and claiming it's "social justice."

So when they kill apostates or perform 'honor' killings what do they call it?

Killing apostates and honor killings. And honor killings, by the way, are condemned by Muslim authorities. There is no one saying "this is social justice." It's just an act of vengeance, one considered ignoble even by members of those societies.

That's like trying to say white supremacists plowing vehicles into protesters is American "social justice." No one says that, no one calls it that.

Plain and simple, a lot of people like to villainize Social Justice because they are afraid of the implications of actually living in a just society. It's not a linguistic quibble, a lot of people are actually just opposed to justice in society. They are for social unjustice. There is no joke, no punchline. Just people continuing to claim white people are the truly oppressed ones, while white people continue to be all but one US president, have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Which 'Muslim authorities' are these? The ones that say it's legal to stone people in Pakistan, or Iran where they actually do it, out loud and proud? Or the ones that allow women to be flogged? I suppose it's okay to kill homosexuals in the name of religion? You're telling me those fucks don't consider what they are doing as some kind of 'social justice'? Why not ask them on a forum?

As I say... Social Justice means different things to different people.

And what does president Biden got to do with me? Or your capitalist government as an Irish European citizen? I care about what is going on with my country. I don't have time for your mess. lol

And what has that got to do with games?

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 01:12:52 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 01:10:29 PM
  Any time anyone says plain and simple, what follows is sure to be their own personal narrative bullshit of a scenario.  No one can undo the past.  If leftist social justice promoters want to continue pushing their current agenda (which is essentially "getting back" at someone aka vengeance) without understanding how that is going to really, really rankle the lower social classes of people who are only badly impacted by that pursuit (since many methods implemented in that pursuit impact them, not the people who had families who might have truly profited from past evils)....you will eventually get what you fucking deserve.

Plain and simple, you might as well have just farted instead of posting what you just posted, devoid of any fact, or any opinion of any force.

  Here is a fact, affirmative action actively hurts working class white kids going to college and getting jobs later.  They have to outperform other demographics to have entry, even if for instance a black applicant to the same school comes from a millionaire family.  Affirmative action is racist policy on paper.

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

Or Great grand parents.  The shit SJ types push is the similar to being pissed my great grandfather killed your great grandfather, so you come to me and kill my son.   It is mostly injurious lash outs, and very little actual proactive measures to correct the things they know are causing a great number of the inequalities across demographic boundaries. 

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

Or Great grand parents.  The shit SJ types push is the similar to being pissed my great grandfather killed your great grandfather, so you come to me and kill my son.   It is mostly injurious lash outs, and very little actual proactive measures to correct the things they know are causing a great number of the inequalities across demographic boundaries.

This is it... as a concept, it's a ridiculous claim and defies logic (and I say this as a leftie). But these 'scolds gotta pretend to do something even if it just clutching at straws.

They want a 'just' society, but they will do unjust things to get it. And just (pardon the pun) how just would their full-on commie society actually be? Hm..

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:15:15 PM
Which 'Muslim authorities' are these?

It's against Islamic law. Here's a link to Wikipedia so you can get your toesis wet without having to google anything.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

No. They are guilty for the actions they are taking right now. And all too often, people enjoying historical advantages are all too happy to take actions that perpetuate those inequalities, even by unjust actions because first of all, it is personally beneficial to them and people like them, and second, because they choose to reinforce narratives that make themselves blameless.

If it is unjust to tax the unjust wealth of your ancestors, surely it is equally injust to inherit it, since you do not deserve that, either.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:34:21 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

Or Great grand parents.  The shit SJ types push is the similar to being pissed my great grandfather killed your great grandfather, so you come to me and kill my son.   It is mostly injurious lash outs, and very little actual proactive measures to correct the things they know are causing a great number of the inequalities across demographic boundaries.

This is it... as a concept, it's a ridiculous claim and defies logic (and I say this as a leftie). But these 'scolds gotta pretend to do something even if it just clutching at straws.

They want a 'just' society, but they will do unjust things to get it. And just (pardon the pun) how just would their full-on commie society actually be? Hm..

  In the USA I was left of the middle in 2000.  Now I am probably damn near alt right.  I have not moved on social or political issues since 2000. 

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:15:15 PM
Which 'Muslim authorities' are these?

It's against Islamic law. Here's a link to Wikipedia so you can get your toesis wet without having to google anything.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

No. They are guilty for the actions they are taking right now. And all too often, people enjoying historical advantages are all too happy to take actions that perpetuate those inequalities, even by unjust actions because first of all, it is personally beneficial to them and people like them, and second, because they choose to reinforce narratives that make themselves blameless.

If it is unjust to tax the unjust wealth of your ancestors, surely it is equally injust to inherit it, since you do not deserve that, either.

  The Haddiths, which in many sects of Islam carry equal weight to the Koran do in fact allow it.  Have you read much of the Koran?  I have one and read it often, and there are many passages that are very open to interpretation (such as it being Ok to kill anyone who would spread mischief across the land....mischief can be very, very broadly defined), but the Haddiths are considerably more hard lined, and many Muslims put that beside the Koran with regard to authority in religious matters.   

  As to that line around ancestors bullshit, that is exactly the sort of crap that is going to spark a fire.  One that will burn away all the insanity.

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:15:15 PM
Which 'Muslim authorities' are these?

It's against Islamic law. Here's a link to Wikipedia so you can get your toesis wet without having to google anything.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 21, 2022, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
have ten times the intergenerational wealth of blacks, and continue to profit on land stolen from natives and wealth created by a recent slave-owning past.

Also, people are not guilty of the crimes of their parents or ancestors.

No. They are guilty for the actions they are taking right now. And all too often, people enjoying historical advantages are all too happy to take actions that perpetuate those inequalities, even by unjust actions because first of all, it is personally beneficial to them and people like them, and second, because they choose to reinforce narratives that make themselves blameless.

If it is unjust to tax the unjust wealth of your ancestors, surely it is equally injust to inherit it, since you do not deserve that, either.

So, they don't like honor killing (allegedly - they just turn a blind eye when it suits). What about the other delightful things, you know, the one's I brought up, you flogging, beating your wife, forced marriage, stoning and amputation, Are they okay? I noticed you dodged all of those.

That makes no sense. How far do we go back? Do we ask the Italians for some compensation for the Rome?

The methods you are trying to apply will never work. Nobody is going to hand over their wealth. And who exactly owes what? How do you even calculate that?

And while we are at it. How about us 'white' Irish? Can we get compensated for the crimes against our country that had been going on for over 700 years? Or do 'reparations' only apply to POC?

If you lot want to change the world you'd better take up politics and get voting.

I'm still waiting to hear what all this woke scold mumbo jumbo has to do with elf games.

Are you saying that "social justice" means anything at all?
That it's simply whatever social group you belong to thinks is correct?
So it's meaningless and so is your criticism since you are criticizing a non existent idea?
Goodness, is this what you all think?

And with regards to Pakistan examples, I meant an example of an actual Pakistani person saying that social justice means X or Y..