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Mongoose Publishing's Latest Wokeness from Alison Cybe

Started by Shawn Driscoll, March 11, 2022, 05:55:57 PM

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Rob Necronomicon

#135
March 20, 2022, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

Social Justice has different meanings to different people. So what social justice are you referring to? And why is it relevant to elf-games?

pawsplay

#136
March 20, 2022, 07:43:58 PM
Well, all the meanings are "justice for the many." One can argue about what approach is the most just, or the most social, but it's hard to see how it can be anything bad.

As for elf-games, if you think the concept has no relevance, are you one of those "get rid of alignments" people?

Armchair Gamer

#137
March 20, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.


   Opposed to Social Justice, or opposed to what is called Social Justice? Eliding that distinction leads to the "If you oppose Antifa, you must be a fascist!" school of thought.

   Personally, I'm not inclined to surrender a legitimate Catholic social doctrine term to those currently trying to abscond with it, which is why I prefer labels like 'hard progressive' or 'adherents of the nascent Antichurch.' ;)

Pat

#138
March 20, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.
Why? Lots of people oppose racism, sexism, and discrimination.

Rob Necronomicon

#139
March 20, 2022, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:43:58 PM
Well, all the meanings are "justice for the many." One can argue about what approach is the most just, or the most social, but it's hard to see how it can be anything bad.

As for elf-games, if you think the concept has no relevance, are you one of those "get rid of alignments" people?

Well, if you ask for 'social justice' in Pakistan you'll be told that killing apostates is a good thing. So their brand of social justice does not align with my own. To use one example.

No, I like alignments a lot. Especially in Warhammer Fantasy RPG 1e.

pawsplay

#140
March 20, 2022, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 20, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
  Personally, I'm not inclined to surrender a legitimate Catholic social doctrine term to those currently trying to abscond with it, which is why I prefer labels like 'hard progressive' or 'adherents of the nascent Antichurch.' ;)

Where do I sign up to become an Adherent of the Nascent Antichurch? That sounds badass.

Shawn Driscoll

#141
March 20, 2022, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:43:58 PM
Well, all the meanings are "justice for the many." One can argue about what approach is the most just, or the most social, but it's hard to see how it can be anything bad.
Communists are real big on social justice. It's all they think about. The Darrians in Traveller are very progressive space elves.

Armchair Gamer

#142
March 20, 2022, 08:43:54 PM Last Edit: March 20, 2022, 08:46:13 PM by Armchair Gamer
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 20, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
  Personally, I'm not inclined to surrender a legitimate Catholic social doctrine term to those currently trying to abscond with it, which is why I prefer labels like 'hard progressive' or 'adherents of the nascent Antichurch.' ;)

Where do I sign up to become an Adherent of the Nascent Antichurch? That sounds badass.

Deleted for excessive snark and cross-forum drama.

oggsmash

#143
March 20, 2022, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

  Liberal also implies liberty.  But people who use social justice in a sentence are not so much for justice, they generally have an agenda.  They choose their words carefully to paint a narrative.  It is, current year and locality, an umbrella to hide other things under.

AtomicPope

#144
March 21, 2022, 03:36:24 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

You're also boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to the Patriot Act.

pawsplay

#145
March 21, 2022, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 03:36:24 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

You're also boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to the Patriot Act.

I oppose the Patriot Act.

AtomicPope

#146
March 21, 2022, 04:51:12 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 03:36:24 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

You're also boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to the Patriot Act.

I oppose the Patriot Act.

But... but... but... it's patriotic!  It's right there in the name!  How could anyone oppose something like patriotism or justice?!!111one

pawsplay

#147
March 21, 2022, 04:53:44 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 04:51:12 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 03:36:24 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

You're also boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to the Patriot Act.

I oppose the Patriot Act.

But... but... but... it's patriotic!  It's right there in the name!  How could anyone oppose something like patriotism or justice?!!111one

Patriotism, unlike justice or society, is not necessarily good. I oppose patriotism all the time.

AtomicPope

#148
March 21, 2022, 04:56:48 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 04:53:44 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 04:51:12 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 21, 2022, 03:36:24 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
I'm still boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to Social Justice.

You're also boggled by the number of people willing to state they are opposed to the Patriot Act.

I oppose the Patriot Act.

But... but... but... it's patriotic!  It's right there in the name!  How could anyone oppose something like patriotism or justice?!!111one

Patriotism, unlike justice or society, is not necessarily good. I oppose patriotism all the time.

::)

migo

#149
March 21, 2022, 05:39:34 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on March 20, 2022, 07:43:58 PM
Well, all the meanings are "justice for the many." One can argue about what approach is the most just, or the most social, but it's hard to see how it can be anything bad.

As for elf-games, if you think the concept has no relevance, are you one of those "get rid of alignments" people?

There's also the meaning 'mob justice', which is what it literally turns out to be. And that's what the people opposed to social justice are opposed to - the mob justice that actually happens. And because it actually happens, that's what real social justice is.
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