Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 12, 2022, 01:45:15 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Except it's not all female, because you have to be born female to fit into such category, it's all wahmen.

  I guess I should have just said sisterhood.  I did see this blurb in a press bit about the game ......

Quote"As the agents of Fenrir try to stifle free thought and social justice, crush individuality and deny diversity, the Shield Maidens stand tall, a beacon of light to all living beings within the nine realms."

  So that is interesting. 

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 01:47:19 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Nooooo, sort of... not really. Again, we will go deeper into this but, in a nutshell, the Shield Maidens have been tasked with getting time moving again. The Fenrir Empire is standing in their way.

So, plenty of clashes with Fenrir and they will at times seem like the main enemy. But the currents are running much, much deeper.

So basically it's a game designed for women & woke scolds.

And all white men are bad.

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 01:47:19 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Nooooo, sort of... not really. Again, we will go deeper into this but, in a nutshell, the Shield Maidens have been tasked with getting time moving again. The Fenrir Empire is standing in their way.

So, plenty of clashes with Fenrir and they will at times seem like the main enemy. But the currents are running much, much deeper.

  So the human(ish) opposition is NOT going to be a bunch of white dude spewing toxic masculinity?  I am sure looking as close to the other favorite bad guys of all time as possible,  while the real enemy is of course some super duper supernatural menace. 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
"Just being welcoming" All RPGs are welcoming. I don't see ANY RPGs ever saying, 'Hey you can't be trans, gay or whaterthefuck to play our game'.

It's just the author's doing. Check out his twitter at AlisonCybe.

 With this Fenrir empire come with goose stepping and "Roman" salutes?

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Riiiight... So your 'mechanical' reasoning is basically shoehorning in a concept just for the sake of it.

Well, no - I haven't explained the mechanical reason yet. And, if you will forgive me, I will wait until that is properly previewed (being part of the universe).

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
You're just flying the flag to appease and court the twitter mob. So, yeah... It's virtue signaling IMO.

Mate, take a gander at our Twitter account - we really are not too active there If I did want to court a Twitter mob, I would not know who they are or how to do it!

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
"Just being welcoming" All RPGs are welcoming. I don't see ANY RPGs ever saying, 'Hey you can't be trans, gay or whaterthefuck to play our game'.

I think I see what you are getting at here. I can give an example of what I mean:

Recently, we updated the Traveller Core Rulebook. The reason we did this is because we were coming to the end of a print run and so, obviously, needed to reprint. However, our graphics and art have massively improved since the rulebook was first printed, and so we completely reformatted the layout and commissioned new art.

That was why the rulebook was changed/updated.

While we were at it, we took the opportunity to make a few tweaks, including changing pronouns to they/them. This was not an effort at virtue signalling (aside from a forum post or two, we barely mentioned it), but simply because we knew more women were playing and we wanted the game to feel more welcoming to them. NO other reason for it.

Shield Maidens is the same. We really just want to be welcoming. We are not looking to shove anything down your throat.

  In any event, thanks for the Mongoose version of Conan that was done years ago.  I have 6 or so of the books, and I enjoyed them quite a bit and thought it was presented in the best way that 3rd edition rules could have done.   Best of luck with this, it just seems a bit guilty of sniffing too many of its own farts and not for me.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 12, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Okay, let me see if I got it right, shield maidens don't have to be born women? Or they do have to be born women? It's a simple enough question I think.

It is indeed. They do not have to be born women.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
  So the human(ish) opposition is NOT going to be a bunch of white dude spewing toxic masculinity? 

They are not. They _are_ fascist in structure and ideology, but it has nothing to do with being white masculine dudes.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
With this Fenrir empire come with goose stepping and "Roman" salutes?

It will not. Propaganda is a big thing though.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:03:03 PM
  In any event, thanks for the Mongoose version of Conan that was done years ago.  I have 6 or so of the books, and I enjoyed them quite a bit and thought it was presented in the best way that 3rd edition rules could have done.   Best of luck with this, it just seems a bit guilty of sniffing too many of its own farts and not for me.

That's cool mate, not every game is for everyone. Not even Traveller (it may come close...).

Thank you for your kind words on Conan - that was a game I really enjoyed playing, and we still pull it out every now and again.

  So are they white men, or not?

  Edited to add:  and I will still give it a look through if I see it on the shelf.   I try not to let a first impression be my only impression.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:12:17 PM
  So are they white men, or not?

Well, some are white, sure... they are not all white.

That would be a bit odd, wouldn't it?

Very sorry, I think I am missing something.

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 02:15:09 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:12:17 PM
  So are they white men, or not?

Well, some are white, sure... they are not all white.

That would be a bit odd, wouldn't it?

Very sorry, I think I am missing something.

  They are against diversity, according to the press blurb.  That usually has a pretty specific meaning these days. 

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:16:01 PM
  They are against diversity, according to the press blurb.  That usually has a pretty specific meaning these days.

Ah, yes, I understand, with you.

Do me a favour? Judge me on what I do, not on what some others are doing? I ain't responsible for them

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:47:29 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 12, 2022, 01:45:15 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Except it's not all female, because you have to be born female to fit into such category, it's all wahmen.

  I guess I should have just said sisterhood.  I did see this blurb in a press bit about the game ......

Quote"As the agents of Fenrir try to stifle free thought and social justice, crush individuality and deny diversity, the Shield Maidens stand tall, a beacon of light to all living beings within the nine realms."

  So that is interesting.

So, it's the commie scum represented by the "sisterhood" of the "shieldmaidens" against the agents of Fenrir...

Wanna bet those agents are all white straight males (PUAGH!)?

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 02:18:39 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:16:01 PM
  They are against diversity, according to the press blurb.  That usually has a pretty specific meaning these days.

Ah, yes, I understand, with you.

Do me a favour? Judge me on what I do, not on what some others are doing? I ain't responsible for them

  No, it has a specific meaning for everyone who uses it in a sentence these days.  Do not attempt to make it my version of how those terms are used, when you know full well what it means.   I am willing to judge based on what you do though, explain how they are against diversity and that pretty much ends it.

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 02:11:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 12, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Okay, let me see if I got it right, shield maidens don't have to be born women? Or they do have to be born women? It's a simple enough question I think.

It is indeed. They do not have to be born women.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
  So the human(ish) opposition is NOT going to be a bunch of white dude spewing toxic masculinity? 

They are not. They _are_ fascist in structure and ideology, but it has nothing to do with being white masculine dudes.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
With this Fenrir empire come with goose stepping and "Roman" salutes?

It will not. Propaganda is a big thing though.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 02:03:03 PM
  In any event, thanks for the Mongoose version of Conan that was done years ago.  I have 6 or so of the books, and I enjoyed them quite a bit and thought it was presented in the best way that 3rd edition rules could have done.   Best of luck with this, it just seems a bit guilty of sniffing too many of its own farts and not for me.

That's cool mate, not every game is for everyone. Not even Traveller (it may come close...).

Thank you for your kind words on Conan - that was a game I really enjoyed playing, and we still pull it out every now and again.

So, the OP was accurate wasn't it?

Yes, they will include any straight male probably.

Yes, propaganda is a big thing, this game being a perfect example of it.