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Mongoose Publishing's Latest Wokeness from Alison Cybe

Started by Shawn Driscoll, March 11, 2022, 05:55:57 PM

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MongooseMatt

#15
March 12, 2022, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
Shield Maidens is a legitimate game product and not an April Fool's joke, correct?

I am not sure we have the sense of humour for it to be otherwise. Besides the Kickstarter starts after midday...

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
What gaming demographic is this game product created for?

Honestly, RPGers. It is possible that it may skew towards female gamers, given the subject material, but really it may appeal to anyone who likes the idea of kick-arse characters fighting gods and empires with both magic and tech across multiple worlds. Add to that a simple core rules system that allows us to layer 'chrome' on top, much as we do with Traveller, and I think the appeal could be broad.

It is certainly our best looking game, in terms of art and presentation!

jeff37923

#16
March 12, 2022, 07:30:38 AM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
Shield Maidens is a legitimate game product and not an April Fool's joke, correct?

I am not sure we have the sense of humour for it to be otherwise. Besides the Kickstarter starts after midday...

I distinctly remember artwork of a Vargr with a pair of antlers used to shut up some grognards. I'd say that you've got the sense of humour. :)

Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
What gaming demographic is this game product created for?

Honestly, RPGers. It is possible that it may skew towards female gamers, given the subject material, but really it may appeal to anyone who likes the idea of kick-arse characters fighting gods and empires with both magic and tech across multiple worlds. Add to that a simple core rules system that allows us to layer 'chrome' on top, much as we do with Traveller, and I think the appeal could be broad.

It is certainly our best looking game, in terms of art and presentation!

Thank you for the prompt answers.

The art does look good so far.
"Meh."

BoxCrayonTales

#17
March 12, 2022, 08:27:31 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on March 11, 2022, 05:55:57 PM
So in their new RPG, called Shield Maidens, the rules say that Shield Maidens aren't necessarily born female.
They couldn't have added towel boys for people who wanted to play men in a game about shield maidens?

MongooseMatt

#18
March 12, 2022, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 12, 2022, 08:27:31 AM
They couldn't have added towel boys for people who wanted to play men in a game about shield maidens?

They'll be there. We have rules for a type of character who is not a Shield Maiden but fights alongside them.

VisionStorm

#19
March 12, 2022, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Horace on March 11, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 11, 2022, 08:26:53 PM
Considering that two days ago they tweeted out: Forget what you thought you knew, as Norse mythology only got the facts partly right, this isn't a surprise. They are just correcting the mistakes in Norse mythology based on the most recent scientific data.
Are the developers of Norse descent? Are they practicing neopagans? I thought the Left condemned this sort of cultural appropriation.

Only if it involves non-white cultures. Whites have no culture, so taking elements from their non-cultures and twisting them around is OK.  :P

On the actual game, I haven't really delved into it, but I saw it posted elsewhere and the neon runes on top of Nordic style buildings mashed with cyberpunk architecture looked pretty cool.

GeekyBugle

#20
March 12, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
Shield Maidens is a legitimate game product and not an April Fool's joke, correct?

I am not sure we have the sense of humour for it to be otherwise. Besides the Kickstarter starts after midday...

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 12, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
What gaming demographic is this game product created for?

Honestly, RPGers. It is possible that it may skew towards female gamers, given the subject material, but really it may appeal to anyone who likes the idea of kick-arse characters fighting gods and empires with both magic and tech across multiple worlds. Add to that a simple core rules system that allows us to layer 'chrome' on top, much as we do with Traveller, and I think the appeal could be broad.

It is certainly our best looking game, in terms of art and presentation!

But.... "Muh Representashun!"

I honestly couldn't give two farts as what the rules say or the PCs being all female, but this stinks of hypocrisy if you ask me.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Rob Necronomicon

#21
March 12, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 03:01:38 AM
On the other hand, if anyone has any questions about Shield Maidens (or any of our other games, for that matter), well, that is what I am here for!

Well, one quick question(s) then. Why do you feel the need, not to have shield maidens born women and then make a statement about it? Isn't this just an attempt to virtue signal?









Shawn Driscoll

#22
March 12, 2022, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 03:01:38 AM

On the other hand, if anyone has any questions about Shield Maidens (or any of our other games, for that matter), well, that is what I am here for!
I asked a question on the Mongoose forums about the game. My post was deleted.

MongooseMatt

#23
March 12, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
Well, one quick question(s) then. Why do you feel the need, not to have shield maidens born women and then make a statement about it? Isn't this just an attempt to virtue signal?

I don't think so? It is all about a sisterhood under Freya (and there is an in-universe mechanical reason for this, which we will get into in an upcoming reveal) so that is kind of an inevitable direction to go in. As for a 'need'... it is just being welcoming, isn't it?

Unless I am mis-understanding the question?

MongooseMatt

#24
March 12, 2022, 01:24:37 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 01:31:05 PM by MongooseMatt
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on March 12, 2022, 01:13:07 PM

I asked a question on the Mongoose forums about the game. My post was deleted.

That was not by me - would you like to ask the question here?

Edit: Okay, just gone back through the forums logs and I can see who did it and their reasons. Talking to them now - you are welcome to ask the question here.

GeekyBugle

#25
March 12, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
Well, one quick question(s) then. Why do you feel the need, not to have shield maidens born women and then make a statement about it? Isn't this just an attempt to virtue signal?

I don't think so? It is all about a sisterhood under Freya (and there is an in-universe mechanical reason for this, which we will get into in an upcoming reveal) so that is kind of an inevitable direction to go in. As for a 'need'... it is just being welcoming, isn't it?

Unless I am mis-understanding the question?

Okay, let me see if I got it right, shield maidens don't have to be born women? Or they do have to be born women? It's a simple enough question I think.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

oggsmash

#26
March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 01:45:16 PM by oggsmash
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?  Interesting blurb here in a bit I read online.

QuoteAs the agents of Fenrir try to stifle free thought and social justice, crush individuality and deny diversity, the Shield Maidens stand tall, a beacon of light to all living beings within the nine realms.

Rob Necronomicon

#27
March 12, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: MongooseMatt on March 12, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 12, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
Well, one quick question(s) then. Why do you feel the need, not to have shield maidens born women and then make a statement about it? Isn't this just an attempt to virtue signal?

I don't think so? It is all about a sisterhood under Freya (and there is an in-universe mechanical reason for this, which we will get into in an upcoming reveal) so that is kind of an inevitable direction to go in. As for a 'need'... it is just being welcoming, isn't it?

Unless I am mis-understanding the question?


Riiiight... So your 'mechanical' reasoning is basically shoehorning in a concept just for the sake of it. You're just flying the flag to appease and court the twitter mob. So, yeah... It's virtue signaling IMO.

"Just being welcoming" All RPGs are welcoming. I don't see ANY RPGs ever saying, 'Hey you can't be trans, gay or whaterthefuck to play our game'.










GeekyBugle

#28
March 12, 2022, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Except it's not all female, because you have to be born female to fit into such category, it's all wahmen.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

MongooseMatt

#29
March 12, 2022, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on March 12, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
  So the all female sisterhood is out to topple the evil empire that does not want any diversity?  Is the evil empire all white dudes?

Nooooo, sort of... not really. Again, we will go deeper into this but, in a nutshell, the Shield Maidens have been tasked with getting time moving again. The Fenrir Empire is standing in their way.

So, plenty of clashes with Fenrir and they will at times seem like the main enemy. But the currents are running much, much deeper.
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