Quote from: SHARK on April 24, 2025, 04:18:51 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 23, 2025, 11:23:21 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 23, 2025, 04:27:12 PMWell, actual restaurants are not in fact, a modern invention. Ancient Rome had devloped restaurants. As I mentioned earlier, there were actual dedicated small buildings designed and used as fast food restaurants in ancient Rome. Archaeologists have found these throughout Rome. They have the floorplans and everything.

OK, fair point. There were thermopolia in ancient Rome that were fast food, and sorry about disagreeing.

Was there anything like this is medieval Western Europe? My reading is that there wasn't.

Greetings!

Thank you, Jhkim. It's all good though. Well, with restaurants, and so much more of the sophisticated, high culture and dynamic civilization that Rome built, much of it declined and all but disappeared during the Dark Ages. For *CENTURIES*, right? And Jhkim, also remember, there are some scholars that don't know what I know, or other specialists in ancient history. History is vast, and complicated, and it is difficult for any person to organize and know all the details about every region and every era of time. There are lots of blocks of history time that I'm weak in, as well, for example. Just the nature of knowledge and our own limitations.

The Dark Ages and then the Medieval period saw the disappearance of many aspects and standards of the Roman Empire, and eventually, the "rediscovery" of so many things as well in the following centuries. There are even things being discovered about the Roman Empire *now*--that we didn't know about them in previous centuries, despite impressive growth in our scholarship, knowledge, and understanding of the ancient world.

Just a few additional tidbits to amaze and boggle the mind--

Rome had slurpees. Fruit-flavoured snow-cones! Made by hand, on the spot. The Roman Emperors would enjoy these, as well as have them served to guests attending parties and celebrations. The Romans used basic cold-storage in subterranean chambers to mix and preserve ice brought in from the mountains far away. Lots of this would of course melt away during transit, but enough survived, that with each caravan trip, more and more ice was preserved, and able to be kept in storage. The Romans would crush the ice up in mugs, mix it with crushed fruit, and there you go! Fruit flavoured slurpees! Servants would make these up, and have them ready to go at a moment's notice.

We've known forever that Rome developed Concrete. However, now we also know that the Romans pioneered not just one kind of cement--but recipes for seven different kinds of concrete. The Romans used different concrete recipes based upon the kind of building to be designed, the local climate, and so on. Some of these recipes are equal or even superior to any modern concrete.

Hydro-Engineering; Rome was good at developing and working with pipes. That's fairly simple though. Rome did far more than that though. Rome developed techniques of welding, as well as underwater welding! Underwater welding??? Yeah. It's wild! The Romans used different welding techniques based upon the kind of metals being welded, temperatures control, outcome tolerances, all kinds of cool little details. Aqueducts, bringing tens of thousands of gallons of water from water sources hundreds of miles away, up and down mountains, to supply cities with vast populations and supply them with abundant fresh water for everything, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Sewage systems--Rome had extensive sewage system tunnels as a standard urban feature, collecting, and channeling raw sewage into selected marshes and pits for removal of the sewage. Thus, Roman cities provided a much cleaner environment, for more people, most of the time to a much higher standard than other cultures.

Caracalla's Baths: This enormous bathhouse and gymnasium, was a kind of "wonder of the world"--really only somewhat matched in our own modern era. Caracalla's Baths were a vast complex of bathhouses, gymnasiums, restaurants, massage parlours, and brothels, all interconnected and designed to provide service to, something like 15,000 people at a time. At least 5,000 people. I forgot the exact number, but it was enormous. Rome encouraged daily cleanliness, baths, and exercise--for everyone, not just the wealthy elites. The great Caracalla's Baths were open and free for all Roman citizens. All crafted from concrete, marble, gold, ivory, mosaics, fine artwork, gigantic planters with plants in them, secluded areas where bands of musicians provided constant music. Steam rooms, hot rooms, cold rooms, all with fresh, running water. Exercise rooms with weights and gadgets and toys to exercise with, and stay in good shape. Not much different from our own deluxe modern gymns today.

Of course, the Roman baths also had nice slaves that would use scrapers on you, to scrape the dead skin from your body, groom you, and rub you down with warm, scented oils. Yes, when done, you were clean, refreshed, and felt like an entirely new man! *Laughing* These services were also available for women patrons as well. Then, of course, there were brothels in-house that provided other pleasures and services for patrons. After bathing, a thorough work-out, Roman patrons would often gather with friends at a restaurant to enjoy a meal together, and discuss politics and current events.

Just amazing stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Spobo on April 24, 2025, 06:43:57 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 24, 2025, 04:18:51 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 23, 2025, 11:23:21 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 23, 2025, 04:27:12 PMWell, actual restaurants are not in fact, a modern invention. Ancient Rome had devloped restaurants. As I mentioned earlier, there were actual dedicated small buildings designed and used as fast food restaurants in ancient Rome. Archaeologists have found these throughout Rome. They have the floorplans and everything.

OK, fair point. There were thermopolia in ancient Rome that were fast food, and sorry about disagreeing.

Was there anything like this is medieval Western Europe? My reading is that there wasn't.

Greetings!

Thank you, Jhkim. It's all good though. Well, with restaurants, and so much more of the sophisticated, high culture and dynamic civilization that Rome built, much of it declined and all but disappeared during the Dark Ages. For *CENTURIES*, right? And Jhkim, also remember, there are some scholars that don't know what I know, or other specialists in ancient history. History is vast, and complicated, and it is difficult for any person to organize and know all the details about every region and every era of time. There are lots of blocks of history time that I'm weak in, as well, for example. Just the nature of knowledge and our own limitations.

The Dark Ages and then the Medieval period saw the disappearance of many aspects and standards of the Roman Empire, and eventually, the "rediscovery" of so many things as well in the following centuries. There are even things being discovered about the Roman Empire *now*--that we didn't know about them in previous centuries, despite impressive growth in our scholarship, knowledge, and understanding of the ancient world.

Just a few additional tidbits to amaze and boggle the mind--

Rome had slurpees. Fruit-flavoured snow-cones! Made by hand, on the spot. The Roman Emperors would enjoy these, as well as have them served to guests attending parties and celebrations. The Romans used basic cold-storage in subterranean chambers to mix and preserve ice brought in from the mountains far away. Lots of this would of course melt away during transit, but enough survived, that with each caravan trip, more and more ice was preserved, and able to be kept in storage. The Romans would crush the ice up in mugs, mix it with crushed fruit, and there you go! Fruit flavoured slurpees! Servants would make these up, and have them ready to go at a moment's notice.

We've known forever that Rome developed Concrete. However, now we also know that the Romans pioneered not just one kind of cement--but recipes for seven different kinds of concrete. The Romans used different concrete recipes based upon the kind of building to be designed, the local climate, and so on. Some of these recipes are equal or even superior to any modern concrete.

Hydro-Engineering; Rome was good at developing and working with pipes. That's fairly simple though. Rome did far more than that though. Rome developed techniques of welding, as well as underwater welding! Underwater welding??? Yeah. It's wild! The Romans used different welding techniques based upon the kind of metals being welded, temperatures control, outcome tolerances, all kinds of cool little details. Aqueducts, bringing tens of thousands of gallons of water from water sources hundreds of miles away, up and down mountains, to supply cities with vast populations and supply them with abundant fresh water for everything, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Sewage systems--Rome had extensive sewage system tunnels as a standard urban feature, collecting, and channeling raw sewage into selected marshes and pits for removal of the sewage. Thus, Roman cities provided a much cleaner environment, for more people, most of the time to a much higher standard than other cultures.

Caracalla's Baths: This enormous bathhouse and gymnasium, was a kind of "wonder of the world"--really only somewhat matched in our own modern era. Caracalla's Baths were a vast complex of bathhouses, gymnasiums, restaurants, massage parlours, and brothels, all interconnected and designed to provide service to, something like 15,000 people at a time. At least 5,000 people. I forgot the exact number, but it was enormous. Rome encouraged daily cleanliness, baths, and exercise--for everyone, not just the wealthy elites. The great Caracalla's Baths were open and free for all Roman citizens. All crafted from concrete, marble, gold, ivory, mosaics, fine artwork, gigantic planters with plants in them, secluded areas where bands of musicians provided constant music. Steam rooms, hot rooms, cold rooms, all with fresh, running water. Exercise rooms with weights and gadgets and toys to exercise with, and stay in good shape. Not much different from our own deluxe modern gymns today.

Of course, the Roman baths also had nice slaves that would use scrapers on you, to scrape the dead skin from your body, groom you, and rub you down with warm, scented oils. Yes, when done, you were clean, refreshed, and felt like an entirely new man! *Laughing* These services were also available for women patrons as well. Then, of course, there were brothels in-house that provided other pleasures and services for patrons. After bathing, a thorough work-out, Roman patrons would often gather with friends at a restaurant to enjoy a meal together, and discuss politics and current events.

Just amazing stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

What's your source on the welding/underwater welding thing?

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 24, 2025, 06:30:13 PMInteresting Shark.
I'd definitely have food stalls (with a regions local food). You couldn't play in WFRP without having some pie vendor trying to sell you his latest baked pies (probably made from human flesh). LOL

But absolutely no coffee shops... Any player looking for a Laté can shove it up their ass!