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Medievalist Mythic OSR Cures Woke-D&D Disease

Started by RPGPundit, June 26, 2020, 02:02:28 AM

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You know it's interesting that Wizards of the Coast seems more interested in making propaganda than in making money. Whatever happened to the marketplace?

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hedgehobbit

I'm surprised that more SJW fantasy hasn't moved towards an ancient Rome style fantasy. That time period is popular, with stuff like Percy Jackson, while it is much more cosmopolitan and diverse than the Medieval times, in terms of trades, travel, and people from different lands intermingling.

S'mon

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1136459I'm surprised that more SJW fantasy hasn't moved towards an ancient Rome style fantasy. That time period is popular, with stuff like Percy Jackson, while it is much more cosmopolitan and diverse than the Medieval times, in terms of trades, travel, and people from different lands intermingling.

SJWS are not interested in conforming to reality though. They get their kicks changing reality to suit their ideology. Hence BBC shows with black Celts fighting black Romans; black Achilles fighting black Trojans.

Ghostmaker

Quote from: S'mon;1136461SJWS are not interested in conforming to reality though. They get their kicks changing reality to suit their ideology. Hence BBC shows with black Celts fighting black Romans; black Achilles fighting black Trojans.

This. Plus, keep in mind that SJWs are piss-poor at research; they'd rather reshape reality than look for settings where they could scratch their itch.

Kinda sad, really.

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Spinachcat

Quote from: S'mon;1136461SJWS are not interested in conforming to reality though. They get their kicks changing reality to suit their ideology. Hence BBC shows with black Celts fighting black Romans; black Achilles fighting black Trojans.

Are these shows popular? Are the BBC viewership numbers made public?

Shrieking Banshee

I find videos like these kinda arrogant because SJWs have proven to be capable of corrupting and reverse engineering almost everything.
Your favored form of playstyle won't 'cure' D&D.

Razor 007

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1136459I'm surprised that more SJW fantasy hasn't moved towards an ancient Rome style fantasy. That time period is popular, with stuff like Percy Jackson, while it is much more cosmopolitan and diverse than the Medieval times, in terms of trades, travel, and people from different lands intermingling.

Or even one step farther back, to the glory days of the Greek empire.  Shorter lived, but a big damn glorious run nonetheless.
I need you to roll a perception check.....

RPGPundit

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1136427You know it's interesting that Wizards of the Coast seems more interested in making propaganda than in making money. Whatever happened to the marketplace?

With D&D they've managed to latch on to an extremely successful product, so that right now they can claim "success" from running off the momentum that was already there before them. The damage will come the more they change it.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;1136640With D&D they've managed to latch on to an extremely successful product, so that right now they can claim "success" from running off the momentum that was already there before them. The damage will come the more they change it.

I think its more they latched onto a product that still had some momentum despite the parent company in its death throes. They were fans and wanted to save the game. Put out a new edition that was different. But the same enough that transitioning was relatively painless. Things go downhill with 4e and then they regain momentum with 5e.

Problem is WOTC has allways been its own worst enemy. If it aint broke, break it.

Tom Kalbfus

Quote from: RPGPundit;1136640With D&D they've managed to latch on to an extremely successful product, so that right now they can claim "success" from running off the momentum that was already there before them. The damage will come the more they change it.
I don't really see 4th and 5th edition D&D as improvements so much as just changes, I think the term would be called churning. When a broker buys and sells financial instruments ostensibly to play the market for a client, but in actuality just to earn commissions for those transactions, that is called churning, and that is what I think the purpose of the 4th and 5th editions are for, to sell new books. Everytime they sell a new book, they earn additional money. The 3rd edition is fine, 4th and 5th editions are just additional games, but 3rd edition still works fine. RPG games don't become obsolete, pen and paper is pen and paper no matter what century you are in. 3rd edition will still work fine for fantasy role playing in the 22nd century as it does today. Kind of like chess, Monopoly, and poker, no one is doing 2nd, 3rd, and 4th editions of those. I think the key is writing new adventures rather than constantly trying to change the D&D game all the time.

S'mon

5e is a very successful product, and in most respects a better D&D game than 4e. The process of creation ca 2011-2014 was clearly highly successful. I'd give Mearls a lot of credit for that - he certainly bounced back from the marketing disaster of 4e Essentials.

However Mearls is not a rules guy, he let Jeremy Crawford claim credit for the rules and establish himself as the rules guru. Which is pretty laughable, I think he's the least competent 'Sage' of official rulings I've ever seen. Over on K&KA I see grognards grumble about Jean Wells' tenure as The Sage many decades ago - compared to Crawford she was the Buddha himself. :D And Crawford is clearly more interested in Social Justice than in D&D being a good game, or any kind of semi-plausible setting coherence. He wants D&D to be Gay - very very gay. Which is fine with Seattle Millennials, but is not good mainstream marketing in the longer term.

Greentongue

"Empire of the Petal Throne" is struggling under that load.
The anything goes of that setting has been emphasized so much that not playing a fluid gender is somehow not playing the setting correctly.
IMHO